I was expecting the arbitration to fall somewhere between each proposal but they definitely did their own thing. Some people are better off now than both proposals and others are worse. I wasn’t expecting it to turn out the way it did.

 

Not sure how it wasn’t “between the two”.

Going into arbitration both sides agreed on the method. The two sides agreed that each pilot would be scored. To simplify, two seniority lists are made, one based entirely on longevity, the other based on relative position. Each pilot receives a score based on where they appear on each of the two seniority list. For the easiest example #1 VX is #1 based on relative position so he gets 2500 (-ish total pilots VX+AS) points for RP. For the longevity score a 2006 hire on a DOH-only list would put you at about 1000. That would give #1 VX about 1500 points for longevity.

This is what the arbitrators decided yesterday. The weighting that was decided was 60% longevity and 40% RP. So...in our estimated data above...VX#1 = (2500*.4)+(1500*.6)

=1000+900=1900 which is 1900 from bottom which means 600 in this example.

Checking the actual award he ended up at 534 so this quick estimate is pretty close. This formula is applied to every pilot going down the list and there you have it.

Alaska asked for 70% longevity weighting, VX asked for 15% longevity...the arbitrators decided that 60% was going to be the number.

Additionally, AS asked that for the last 25%-ish of the list that we should switch to a ratio formula for the bottom 25% of pilots. The arbitrators squashed that notion and said the formula was to be used for the entire seniority list.

Basically in my opinion, AS “won” much of the battle at the top of the list and VX won the battle at the bottom. I was hired at AS 12 years ago and am one junior to a VX that was hired at VX 8 years ago. I was going to retire at AS in the top 40 and now I’ll be lucky to crack the top 250.

I think the arbitrators did a good job. If VX had prevailed in their position I would be around 130 more junior. If AS had won there position outright I would have gained about 40 positions. So it could have been slightly better but it could have been much worse. This feels like a divorce-I am exhausted and I am glad it is behind me and just want to get on with my life.

 

I’ve been at AS for 6 years and got a number that was worse than the AS or VX proposal. So for people in my seniority the result was not between the two. Is it a big difference? No. But it’s still not between the two proposals.

 

The AS proposal decided to divert from the harmony method when they hit 50%. They also proposed to staple 10% of the VXers. The arbitrators called BS and used the harmony method all the way down which favored most of the VXers hired in the last 7 years. In some cases they landed higher then the VX and AS proposal.

 

Haha he's right!

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I have to admit I'm impressed with the amount of professionalism and civility I've seen here since the result came out. Not gonna lie, I thought there'd be at least one guy to go off the reservation...


Good job guys! Lets show 'em we're ready for 2020.

 

Until the next merger. Hopefully you’ll be able to stay within the top 500 after that one.

 

I agree. Both pilot groups deserve credit, and their unity will be important in the next contract negotiation. 👍

 

So far the most immature and inflammatory trash talk has come from two of the legacy Alaska wives who are spouting ill informed nonsense in the Alaska pilots and families Facebook page. Someone needs to take their computers from them.

 

Probably the same wife that told a pilot to take off their orange lanyard. Those poor women have no lives outside of their husbands "position". They talk more shop then a bunch of pilots at a 4th of July party! I pitty them and my wife can't stand them.