Best I can tell the top 2/3 of VX think it is unfair and the middle 1/3 of AS.

So that is about 1,000 pilots of a group ok abodut 3,000 now.

None will that think it is unfair will be detrimental. The top of the AS List that was unaffected has historically been detrimental to our contacts.

 

Yeah. Historically you are correct. The senior care only about themselves.

 

Uh that is really bad math

If 2/3 of VX pilots don’t like the SLI that =‘s 561 pilots

And if 1/3 of AS thinks it’s unfair, that =‘s 676 pilots

Grand total between the two companies that don’t like the SLI, if you are correct then is 1,237 pilots.

If your assumptions are correct then a majority or 1,633 pilots on the new seniority list think the SLI is fair

 

I don’t think it was unfair when you consider this SLI is a direct result of the 2010 change to the ALPA merger policy which came about after the US/AW debacle. “Longevity” was thrown in now as one of the 3 tenets for consideration with no particular weight. With status/category the same and very similar career expectations, the only tenet left that could play a large role was longevity. That ended up happening here.

I don’t buy the notion that this SLI fault is the management responsibility since they bought a carrier and merged us. That’s true but the SLI process is an entirely union thing for an ALPA-ALPA merger. Management did not assess us $1 million dollars for SLI. The union did. And we went through a union-approved process with union-approved language and arbitration procedures. The final result is a product of ALPA and its merger policy procedures.

I’m just glad we voted in ALPA in the nick of time. If you thought this SLI result was bad, you should try it without ALPA.

 

Union approved. Time no longer measures your value. Quickest pilot to the front door with the handout wins. As I was trying to get answered, how many years of service did the first group of VX guys/gals have in comparison the the next group of AS guys/gals. Just answer THAT question and you’ll have your answer of unity when the tables turn for the new AS.

I’m trying to say that we have the same problem here at the new AA. The company will give us a contract, you’re just not going to get what you think YOU deserve.

 

That’s where I think your Achilles heel is. The company knows it.

 

Most senior AS hired 1979, VX 2006. First 533 positions on list went to the first 533 AS pilots only. First VX pilot showed up at 534 and was slotted next to a March 1998 hire of AS.

 

Yes, my math was bad. It was done with whole numbers and on the run. He wasn't asking for a scientific study.

and a majority do think it is fair since the top 533 were not touched and most at the bottom were DOH. Hard to argue with DOH.

 

Is the 1998 hire the next one below? Depending on how hiring panned out for AS, it could be a significant difference between above and below. He was asking for the next AS group below.

 

This gives you an idea of how it went down. (see attached)