No. I think you may be confusing me with AltoCumulus. I don't think I've said anything that could be interpreted as "tried to believe her", or I didn't intend to anyway.

 

My bad.
Apologies.

 

That's all true, but she said she was drugged on her second glass of wine, the most common date rape drugs are fast acting. At her bodyweight she would have been likely out cold, or severely impaired at least an hour before they were shown on the hotel camera, returning to the room. It immediately seemed to me, that the story she was drugged, was made up to save her job. It's still possible something happened in the room, we will never know, and they both were probably drinking inside the window.



Can you get fired from Alaska for entering the HIMS program while on probation? ALPA legal should have been all over this.

 

I'd say it was fairly likely that "something happened", as in them having sex.



In his lawsuit, PE makes a point of stating that when the phone woke him up, she was lying on the other bed. What is conspicuously absent is mention of her state of dress. The elephant in the room is that in her lawsuit she describes waking up naked from the waist down. I know if I were in PE's situation, and when I had woken up she was lying fully clothed on the other bed, after her saying she woke up half naked, I'd damn sure make a point of saying so in my lawsuit. This seems to strongly imply that she was indeed half naked when they woke up, whcih in turn strongly implies something happened. Doesn't prove it of course, but there's a pretty strong implication.


Other factor: Back when Pina's lawsuit was fairly fresh and current, PE released an announcement that he's taken a polygraph test and passed, and it included the questions that he'd answered and passed.



2. Do you have memories of sexual contact with Betty, without her participation and consent? No
3. Did you physically force or coerce Betty to engage in sexual contact with you? No


Those questions were not just questions the polygraph operator asked randomly as they popped into his head. You can bet your next paycheck that they were very carefully selected and worded beforehand in consultation with his attorney. This is essentially a tacit admission that he either recalls having sex with her, or strongly suspects that he might have. If he was confident and sure that they hadn't had sex at all, that would have been the question he and his attorney would have directed the polygraph operator to ask him.

 

Fair question,

I tried to believe her because when you read the story on the first-pass it seems so unbelievable. So, on the 2nd pass I interpret all the facts in the light most favorable to her. I do this because if I still can’t believe her after all the facts are full-gain in her favor, then the only thing left is that she is lying.

The only thing just as crazy as her story, is the thought that a grown woman would not only make up the fact that she was raped to save her job, but that AFTER THE PLOY WORKED, would then double-down on the lie with a lawsuit.

When my son was 6-ish he got into a little brouhaha at school because he lost a toy and then accused one of his friends of “stealing it”. We had a little talk about being SURE before you make an accusation of that magnitude.

 

Is that crazy, or just cynical and amoral? It worked. She kept her job through an investigation into alcohol policy violation in her probationary period. If she hadn't performed a public encore in Lihue, she'd likely still have it. I agree, I'm not sure how the lawsuit figured into her strategy, it seemed like she'd achieved her goals.

 

I don't know. I guess that would depend on specifics the agreement between Alaska and ALPA. I do know that at many airlines, pilots in their probationary period don't enjoy the same employment protections as a pilot who is past the probationary period. There's no overarching legal principle that compels an airline to give a pilot who's violated alcohol policy to offer a second chance based on HIMS participation. It's common, but not some sort of inherent right (beyond being specified in a contract). So without knowing the details, I'd say its certainly possible that there's no HIMS second chance available to probies.

 

If you are on probation and walk into the CP's Office and say you need help and want to enter HIMS you will not be fired.

If you get in trouble and then try to enter HIMS to save your job, you are most likely out of luck.

 

I never believed any of her story from the onset. With the Hawaii incident that just verified for myself what I thought all along. I'm guessing some of her Army contemporaries are going to get subpoenaed to testify to any alleged behavior.

I would love to see PE financially destroys her, Alaska and the law firm that conducted this "investigation".

Further I hope ole Bob forever keeps the reputation of a pilot pariah that she so richly deserves.

 

Well, at a minimum, I think we can believe the portions of her story which are matched by the account in PE's lawsuit.