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05-09-2019, 02:42 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Barneyrubble
You've been keeping a list for 4 years?
Am I the only one that sees what is so wrong with this?
Am I the only one that sees what is so wrong with this?
I'm sure this thread will be exhibit A when the company sues ALPA.
05-09-2019, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lowflying
I didn't realize we were in negotiations for the last 4 years.
I'm sure this thread will be exhibit A when the company sues ALPA.
I'm sure this thread will be exhibit A when the company sues ALPA.
05-10-2019, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
Well, they have been keeping a list too. So we can compare notes and make sure everyone due a Starbucks card gets one...Win win
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05-10-2019, 07:16 AM
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This is absolutely disgusting. What a total pos. This is yet another reason why i call out at departure + 2:01.. Gives these rat vultures less time to help them out and destroy our chances of gaining anything.
Originally Posted by echelon
i had the pleasure of flying a short flight to sea on christmas, ~7am departure from our outstation. Minutes before closing, an as captain runs on, comes up to the flight deck, and proudly mentions that he was deadheading home after having flown down on the 5am departure from sea and that he had seen "that they [the company] needed a lot of help today, so i figured i'd give 'em a hand!"
on christmas! Not like we even get holiday pay here. What kind of pathetic ****ing loser gives up christmas morning with his family to go make a couple hundred bucks? And how does that loser explain to his wife that instead of enjoying the holiday off with her and his kids, that he's probably waited 20 years to be able to hold, he's going to wake her up at 3am so he can go to work "because they need my help."
who does he think he is, anyway, that they need his help? He isn't superman, he's just another moron that this company exploits to be able to keep reserve coverage at a bare, cheap, minimum. How does he explain that alaska airlines is more important to him than his own family?
It was at that moment that i lost every lingering modicum of hope in this place ever changing.
on christmas! Not like we even get holiday pay here. What kind of pathetic ****ing loser gives up christmas morning with his family to go make a couple hundred bucks? And how does that loser explain to his wife that instead of enjoying the holiday off with her and his kids, that he's probably waited 20 years to be able to hold, he's going to wake her up at 3am so he can go to work "because they need my help."
who does he think he is, anyway, that they need his help? He isn't superman, he's just another moron that this company exploits to be able to keep reserve coverage at a bare, cheap, minimum. How does he explain that alaska airlines is more important to him than his own family?
It was at that moment that i lost every lingering modicum of hope in this place ever changing.
05-10-2019, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
This is absolutely disgusting. What a total pos. This is yet another reason why i call out at departure + 2:01.. Gives these rat vultures less time to help them out and destroy our chances of gaining anything.
05-10-2019, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by lowflying
I didn't realize we were in negotiations for the last 4 years.
I'm sure this thread will be exhibit A when the company sues ALPA.
I'm sure this thread will be exhibit A when the company sues ALPA.
What a joke! What a bunch of losers. Do you know how nice it is outside? I am on a boat. It’s beautiful, I called in sick for a two day. I hope to hell someone got to pick it up premium. The last six days have been unbelievable. If you are going to give up one of these days it better be at premium or you are a fool. I haven’t worked since May 3rd!
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05-10-2019, 07:55 AM
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oh wow, you've had the last 6 days off? welcome to life at every other major airline if you so choose to want six consecutive days off....but you had to call out sick. This is because you are a spineless selfish coward who puts the company and your own selfish needs ahead of every pilot you call a "peer." Thanks for bailing out the company, and by doing so they see no purpose in improving our quality of life ie your ability to drop or swap that two day so that you wouldn't have to dishonestly use "sick time". Thanks for your service.
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Remember we have been in a continuous war since 2001... Each man, head down in your bunker. I have been keeping a list since then. I know everyone. I have you all in a list in alphabetical order, in order of number of offenses, and I am handing it over to wiki leaks.
What a joke! What a bunch of losers. Do you know how nice it is out side? I am on a boat. It’s beautiful, I called in sick for a two day. I hope to hell someone got to pick it up premium. The last six days have been unbelievable. If you are going to give up one of these days it better be at premium or you are a fool. I haven’t worked since May 3rd!
What a joke! What a bunch of losers. Do you know how nice it is out side? I am on a boat. It’s beautiful, I called in sick for a two day. I hope to hell someone got to pick it up premium. The last six days have been unbelievable. If you are going to give up one of these days it better be at premium or you are a fool. I haven’t worked since May 3rd!
05-10-2019, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
oh wow, you've had the last 6 days off? welcome to life at every other major airline if you so choose to want six consecutive days off....but you had to call out sick. This is because you are a spineless selfish coward who puts the company and your own selfish needs ahead of every pilot you call a "peer." Thanks for bailing out the company, and by doing so they see no purpose in improving our quality of life ie your ability to drop or swap that two day so that you wouldn't have to dishonestly use "sick time". Thanks for your service.
05-10-2019, 08:05 AM
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"Fly the contract" is the mantra when in negotiations. So, if you don't care for premium pay get the Negotiating Committee to make it a priority for getting it OUT of the contract. But unless you want to give up pay and/or work rules to dump premium language, you can't really criticize those who "fly the contract" to their benefit.
Back in my day we had a super senior Captain who would use sick leave and trips touching training to drop virtually his entire line. Then he would make himself available for VSA on all of his off days. He was the single highest paid pilot at Alaska Airlines. Crew scheduling knew they could call him anytime to pick up flying.
The good news from the rank and file standpoint was if any line pilot got called on the carpet for sick leave abuse all we had to do was take in this Captain's pay records. He was also the reason we put the limitations on VSA scheduling (fly a VSA trip and you're ineligible unless there's no one junior to you with a VSA request) into the contract.
I guess the point is that if its in the contract and a pilot isn't doing anything outside the requirements of the contract then they're not doing anything wrong. "Fly the contract" is a two edged sword.
Back in my day we had a super senior Captain who would use sick leave and trips touching training to drop virtually his entire line. Then he would make himself available for VSA on all of his off days. He was the single highest paid pilot at Alaska Airlines. Crew scheduling knew they could call him anytime to pick up flying.
The good news from the rank and file standpoint was if any line pilot got called on the carpet for sick leave abuse all we had to do was take in this Captain's pay records. He was also the reason we put the limitations on VSA scheduling (fly a VSA trip and you're ineligible unless there's no one junior to you with a VSA request) into the contract.
I guess the point is that if its in the contract and a pilot isn't doing anything outside the requirements of the contract then they're not doing anything wrong. "Fly the contract" is a two edged sword.
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