OTZeagle1

No no no, at Alaska we are only allowed to fly the minimum, never trade days, and never take advantage of our contracts language. We must be miserable, and understand we are always in contract negotiations. We must then celebrate anyone and everyone at any another company taking advantage of their contract. Maybe even exaggerate their exploitation and plunder.

av8or

I get it OTZ. Seriously, I totally get where you’re coming from.

Honest question: (I know, it’s rare.) Clearly at some point you found “your lane” for QOL and financial success here at Alaska. It seems by reading your posts, that the formula is some combination of
A. Living in base. B. Taking maximum advantage of the stock purchase plan. C. Not worrying about the contract “failures”, but exploiting those “failures” to the max. You don’t worry about how it affects negotiations. You’re not concerned if it ****es others off. Your position seems to be “Look, we have a weak union, who’s delivered weak contracts, with weak leadership, BUT, if you know how to play the game and live in base, one can carve out a solid
QOL and livelihood.... as long as you spend less time worried about “the union” and focus all your energy on taking care of “you”. Stop worrying about the “collective good”... it’s pointless.

Just curious. Did you come to Alaska with a more let’s say “traditional” union membership philosophy of working together to negotiate and achieve our goals etc, and at some point get disillusioned by Kasher, management infiltration of our union leadership, etc? Or has your philosophy always been, “I don’t worry about the union, negotiations, the next contract, who it benefits, who it doesn’t, etc..... I make it work for ME, to the max.... and if that ****es you off... sorry.... not sorry.”

I’m just asking if cynicism and personal experience with the union and the company shaped your approach.

Again... honest question. You’re certainly not alone in your approach. Prob at least 1/3 of the pilot group agrees with you.

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OTZeagle1

Man it is satisfying to crack open the first Red Stripe of the day... a little early... I was shooting for two but 1:45 that will work. Wife is taking in some sun, kids are out in the kayaks, no one will know it’s not yet 2pm. Is there any place more beautiful on a 80 degree day then the PNW, well maybe Southeast on a 75.

So the same tools that said they were getting relative seniority are at it again. Seems this group has only ever been wrong but I am supposed to listen to them? I have found in life, if you want to be successful, follow successful people. I am pretty sure that means maybe listening to none of these idiots. Everything in their lives is screwed up, to include their financial situation. I think I will continue to watch as they try and blaze a new trail. It’s like a train wreck, it’s hard to look away.

Well time to reapply lotion, enjoy!

ShyGuy

In the heart of TPA and JCBA negotiations, both sides were picking up trips left and right. Nothing changed back then, I don’t see anything changing now or in the future. Packrat has a point about flying the contract. It cuts both ways.

OTZeagle1

We all tend to be machiavellian at heart. I have never voted yes on a contract, I never will. I am already a no vote and I have yet to see the junk they are about to throw at me. We don’t have a union, RLA takes care of that. We have an overpriced social club, dues I gladly pay. I expect nothing, yet am continually let down. With my no vote securely cast, the new contract will still pass with at least 65% approval. When I finally see the next catastrophe, I will pour over it and yes I will devour it for my own benefit. I will share my understandings, few will follow. Then I will be berated for making too much money. They will all label me a selfish company man, with the same breath they will celebrate my contemporaries that do the same as me at DAL and LUV, they parade them as champions

av8or

That didn’t really answer my question if this has always been your approach or if it was a response to what you perceived as weak union leadership/negotiations so decided at some point, “Dmn the Union, dmn contract negotiations, dmn this whole unity bs, I’m getting all I can for me.”

I certainly don’t blame you for making the most of the contract we have. To not do so is pretty stupid. And, I get your cynicism toward negotiations here. It seems most long time AS’rs fall into one of three categories, A “Union and negotiations are pointless so, I’m grabbing all I can, all the time.” B. Ambivalent cynicism where ya take what they give you and disengage believing nothing will change, ever... so why even try. C. A remnant of believers that, given the new dynamics of VX’rs, new pilots hired have been a part of winning good contracts, the competition for qualified pilots etc, if we can get 51-60% to unify and fight, we’ve actually got a shot.

I just wondered if you’d always found yourself in A group or that changed over time.,

Klsytakesit

All this wrangling. Just trying to get recognition for the guys and gals out there keeping the dream alive. Most West Coast all the way. We can do it

OhSnapAF

I am the most pro union guy as they come and I am ready to take this all the way if it comes down to it, but the LAST thing this pilot group needs, is any talk of a work action on a public forum. Nobody is furloughed, why do we care who picks up open time? I don't do it but I don't care either. When the time comes to care, we should all care, but until then, lets concentrate on the bigger stuff at hand.

av8or

PREACH brother!!! 👍🏼👍🏼