I notice many times when you respond to people's points, you ever so slightly distort the context or meaning of what was said in order to then make your rebuttal. Very poor debating style my friend....

So like I had to do in a similar reply to you just a few posts up, I'm going to once again clarify and emphasize two of the points that you did this with in your latest reply and then I'm gonna give this one a rest.......

First, I didn't say AS bought VX out of necessity (to compete)... I said they were FORCED to buy VX (their very survival depended on it)...It's a suttle but very important difference in argument....

Finally, like I said..... ask a supervisory gate agent what AS has been trying within the last 2 weeks or so IN THE PEAK SUMMER TRAVEL SEASON in order to drum up support/enthusiasm for it's transcons...... and it's not promotional fares...

 

KnockKnock is the worst kind of troll...


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*subtle - just noticed the typo hahaha

 

Ha! Really? THE WORST! Wow, that’s a lofty title. I know you kids like to throw “troll” around at anyone that says anything other than what you want to hear. It’s your, “get out of an actual discussion” shield. However, between the two of us, you’re the one that wants everyone to join you in your misery, sulking under your bridge. You’re constantly blaming your bad vibes on anyone senior to you. I’m sorry I don’t hate my life and can’t join you on your “feelz sad” tour 2019. I don’t say things just to get a rise so how am I a troll? I speak my perspective. You don’t agree with it...O.K., sun rises tomorrow all the same. I think many on here have valid points and I’ll fight for a better contract with any of you. However, I’m not gonna pi$$ n moan just to pi$$ n moan because others are pi$$ing n moaning. I really hope cheerier days are ahead for you.

 

Well let’s clear something right on up. It’s the internet. I respond to what I read and how I believe you intended to say what you wrote. I’m not trying to twist your words or work my reverso debate magic on you. Since it’s all typed out and nuance is hard to detect, I simply reply to how I believe you’re intending it. We good there?

What I don’t understand from guys like you, who are no doubt well versed in the industry, is why you act like any trouble at all here at AS is either THE END, IS ONLY AN AS PROBLEM, or HAS NEVER BEEN EXPERIENCED BY ANY OTHER AIRLINE EVER.....THEREFORE WE ARE THE WORST?

When you say AS was forced to buy VX for their survival, I say every airline that exists today, save a few has gone through an acquisition or merger for their “very survival”. When you snark at the fact that AS’ growth in the last few years wasn’t “organic”. I say where the he|| have you been the last 10-15 years? Every major airline today is made up of multiple pilot groups. AA is like 4 different airlines for Christ’s sakes! Non of the big four grew “organically” so does that mean their growth doesn’t really count?

If you’re truly a “vet” of the industry, why do you act like you’ve never seen the industry. I can’t remember if you said you were a refugee from another airline pre VX but if so, this should be status quo for you. You’ve had a front row seat to the imperfections of this, at times, absurd rollercoaster. Why then, do you act like every bit of less than amazing news at AS is the beginning of the end? I mean three years on now and you guys are still on the corner exclaiming, “THE END IS NEAR!”

You say we’re having trouble filling seats on trans cons but we’re still very profitable because of our PNW traffic. I say that must be some pretty good $**t we got up here if it’s floating the company to the point we have to raise our projected Q2 results twice in the last 3 weeks. I thought we were losing our A$$ to Delta in SEA and SW in HI?

Look man, I think you know your stuff but we’re just gonna disagree on some things and that’s o.k. I’ll still be there along side you fighting the good fight for a contract I believe both of us have earned.

 

I wonder how much of that was fueled by the competition not being able to use the MAX.

 

Only real question is what's your seniority number in hundreds?? North or south to 2600?

 

I think all the airlines have profited handsomely by the surprise curtailment of 3-5% of the anticipated capacity since March, and as the MAX grounding continues the continued lack of available RSM's keeps the fares at a very profitable level.

Concern will be when the MAX is unleashed and all that capacity is dumped into the domestic market over a few months and what that will do to all the yields. As the MAX grounding drags longer, obviously the reintroduction will also take longer, but even if spread over a 6month period, that will be a sizable chunk of capacity to dump into the domestic market.

 

Major (in industry usage) means sells their own tickets and flies at least narrowbodies. AS is obviously that.

Legacy means "did interstate flying before deregulation". AS is that too.

Just because they do a lot of flying in a certain region does not make them a "regional" airline per today's usage of the term.

What they are is a legacy major which resembles some of the other legacy majors... 30 years ago. What changed was most of the rest merged and expanded their area of emphasis to the entire world. AS didn't change that much. But safe money says they will need to merge eventually.

HA is a legacy too, they are more similar to AS than to the big three. They *might* be able to hang on standalone for the time being because of their unique geography and brand.

 

By your technical definitions..... there really aren't any "regional" carriers then. The real term should be "contract" carriers because they generally don't sell their own tickets and only work as contractors for other companies.