He’s simply guessing. Pay no heed

Are you comparing W2’s?

Per the earnings call, 1 Airbus lease return in 2020 and 9 returns in 2021.

12 to 17 to be returned in 2022.

You just stepped on a hornets nest of opinions! You’ve pretty much got it right. Two little airlines have come together and each side thinks it was better than the other. It’s what happens when you attach your identity to your workplace. Pilots seem to be especially susceptible to this. Mergers, or in this case acquisitions, suck. The majority of pilots get screwed or at least have the perception of being screwed. It’s not unique to AS/VX. There is still much animosity between many pilots that have gone through recent mergers/acquisitions. Many air their grievances here on APC because it’s anonymous and they can sling mud without retribution. Real grown man stuff ;) Hopefully with the passage of a new contract that we ALL work together on, the petty b.s. will die down. Until then, standby by to get an earful of why AS or former VX SUX!!!

It’s been said many times... the VX guys don’t like being told they were “saved” by the “superior” pilot group of Alaska Airlines. Just look at the above post, saying it was an “acquisition” not a “merger.” Legally speaking it was a merger. Why does this guy even bring up the “acquisition vs merger” argument?

Our displeasure in encountering that attitude manifests itself as a disproportionate defensiveness and sometimes outrage.

The lease expiration schedule for the 53 leased A319/320s is public information as the company has previously disclosed it in investor presentations:

2019 1
2020 2
2021 9
2022 14
2023 18
2024 6
2025 3

The 10 A321NEOs are all on 12 year leases from GECAS with expirations 2029-2031. The 10 newest A320s are owned so they could be sold at any time.

Cheers - Rob.

See, you’ve attached your identity to your former airline and assigned importance to the pilots.

First off, neither pilot group had anything to do with this marriage. AS pilots could not have saved VX pilots because we had as much control of the thing as you did. We’re all bystanders.

Second, “legally” speaking, it was an acquisition. AAG purchased VX. The two groups didn’t agree to come together and combine their companies. There was never a discussion of which management group would take the helm. There was never a merger of our boards or combining of our holding groups. The fact that you let that bother you is proof of the tribalism that interferes with our collective progress. Yes, the pilot/FA/MX groups merged and from that comes the feelings of resentment. Some gained seniority some lost seniority. Some gained bases others lost bases.

The VX guys feel stuck with the AS contract and have had no say in the rules they now work under. Some AS guys feel that since the VX guys had no contract to begin with, they shouldn’t be complaining about it. Until we all have equal share in the contract good bad or other, there will remain an us vs. them attitude. I look forward to that day.

Randomroute and KnockKnock, thank you both. Same team.

To securing job security and gains in the next CBA!

Those add up to 53, plus the 10 owned, and 10 NEO leases with GECAS. The math does add up to 73. Thanks for the table!