Alaska joining Oneworld
02-19-2020 | 08:30 AM
#111
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2018
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Really can’t say how I am to fly with. Don't have that weird Seattleite fascination about what the stranger I am sitting next to thinks. Crystal clear on all the contractual benefits enjoyed by a couple hundred Seattle pilots. The fix for the rest of us is to move. Empty the other 4 bases. Got it. With the mAx sliding into the fall there might not be as many extra sims to go around.
02-19-2020 | 08:48 AM
#112
Banned
Joined: May 2018
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Really can’t say how I am to fly with. Don't have that weird Seattleite fascination about what the stranger I am sitting next to thinks. Crystal clear on all the contractual benefits enjoyed by a couple hundred Seattle pilots. The fix for the rest of us is to move. Empty the other 4 bases. Got it. With the mAx sliding into the fall there might not be as many extra sims to go around.
02-19-2020 | 08:52 AM
#113
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As many others have stated your examples of making extra money are limited to Seattle.
Drop most of your trips, not happening if it drops you below 75. Also with reserve coverage constantly moving below the required amount that’s not an option for a majority of the group. Also the large amount of MOUs that limit swapping to the second Tuesday of December between 04:00-04:02
Pick up premium trips, once again limited to Seattle and then a few scattered through other bases. Not at the level of Seattle.
Some fly FAR max. Okay I get it, possible for everyone unless you have a family you enjoy spending time with.
Work vacation, this is the most practical and easiest way to make extra money. But also at the loss of some extra time off.
Pick up sims, Seattle 7373 only to my knowledge. I’m not sure if this even offered in SFO.
FCF, sims, and checks rides are limited to the 3% that are check airmen.
You have stated ways to make extra money but they are limited to Seattle based pilots. Maybe the next contract should include ways for the entire pilot group to have the same opportunities to make extra money.
Drop most of your trips, not happening if it drops you below 75. Also with reserve coverage constantly moving below the required amount that’s not an option for a majority of the group. Also the large amount of MOUs that limit swapping to the second Tuesday of December between 04:00-04:02
Pick up premium trips, once again limited to Seattle and then a few scattered through other bases. Not at the level of Seattle.
Some fly FAR max. Okay I get it, possible for everyone unless you have a family you enjoy spending time with.
Work vacation, this is the most practical and easiest way to make extra money. But also at the loss of some extra time off.
Pick up sims, Seattle 7373 only to my knowledge. I’m not sure if this even offered in SFO.
FCF, sims, and checks rides are limited to the 3% that are check airmen.
You have stated ways to make extra money but they are limited to Seattle based pilots. Maybe the next contract should include ways for the entire pilot group to have the same opportunities to make extra money.
02-19-2020 | 09:31 AM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 158
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he’s referring to the fact that your sim idea only works in one base, so if the rest of the pilots want the option to scratch a few more pennies away from the company, everyone would have to be based in Seattle. Are you really that dim?
02-19-2020 | 12:44 PM
#116
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 23
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2019 income including profit sharing... no 401k
AS12CA $418,000
AS12CA $473,000
AS12CA $390,000
AS12CA $361,000
AS12CA $323,000
AS12CA $329,000
AS12CA $368,000
This is horse crap. This not achievable by the majority if any pilots at AS. The sad part is at the majors this achievable by the majority of pilots on the list. Friends of mine at B6 can bring in $40k a month and still get plenty of time off a month and my friends at spirit have work rules that allow them to earn a lot more on the W2 than any of us will see at AS. I know an FO at DL who on 2nd year pay earned more then a 11 year Capt at AS 101 hrs of credit at AS. They had 160 hours of credit. So time to wake up AS pilots and realize that your CBA is crap and the line bidding system is so badly broken its a joke. The work rules along with line bidding don't work and the crappy fatigue ( non contractual / unwritten ) rules forced on us. Really make for a crappy schedule and QOL for the majority of us. And if one of you says single day vacation trading will just prove my point.
AS12CA $418,000
AS12CA $473,000
AS12CA $390,000
AS12CA $361,000
AS12CA $323,000
AS12CA $329,000
AS12CA $368,000
This is horse crap. This not achievable by the majority if any pilots at AS. The sad part is at the majors this achievable by the majority of pilots on the list. Friends of mine at B6 can bring in $40k a month and still get plenty of time off a month and my friends at spirit have work rules that allow them to earn a lot more on the W2 than any of us will see at AS. I know an FO at DL who on 2nd year pay earned more then a 11 year Capt at AS 101 hrs of credit at AS. They had 160 hours of credit. So time to wake up AS pilots and realize that your CBA is crap and the line bidding system is so badly broken its a joke. The work rules along with line bidding don't work and the crappy fatigue ( non contractual / unwritten ) rules forced on us. Really make for a crappy schedule and QOL for the majority of us. And if one of you says single day vacation trading will just prove my point.
02-19-2020 | 01:57 PM
#117
OTZEagle1
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 409
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2019 income including profit sharing... no 401k
AS12CA $418,000
AS12CA $473,000
AS12CA $390,000
AS12CA $361,000
AS12CA $323,000
AS12CA $329,000
AS12CA $368,000
This is horse crap. This not achievable by the majority if any pilots at AS. The sad part is at the majors this achievable by the majority of pilots on the list. Friends of mine at B6 can bring in $40k a month and still get plenty of time off a month and my friends at spirit have work rules that allow them to earn a lot more on the W2 than any of us will see at AS. I know an FO at DL who on 2nd year pay earned more then a 11 year Capt at AS 101 hrs of credit at AS. They had 160 hours of credit. So time to wake up AS pilots and realize that your CBA is crap and the line bidding system is so badly broken its a joke. The work rules along with line bidding don't work and the crappy fatigue ( non contractual / unwritten ) rules forced on us. Really make for a crappy schedule and QOL for the majority of us. And if one of you says single day vacation trading will just prove my point.
AS12CA $418,000
AS12CA $473,000
AS12CA $390,000
AS12CA $361,000
AS12CA $323,000
AS12CA $329,000
AS12CA $368,000
This is horse crap. This not achievable by the majority if any pilots at AS. The sad part is at the majors this achievable by the majority of pilots on the list. Friends of mine at B6 can bring in $40k a month and still get plenty of time off a month and my friends at spirit have work rules that allow them to earn a lot more on the W2 than any of us will see at AS. I know an FO at DL who on 2nd year pay earned more then a 11 year Capt at AS 101 hrs of credit at AS. They had 160 hours of credit. So time to wake up AS pilots and realize that your CBA is crap and the line bidding system is so badly broken its a joke. The work rules along with line bidding don't work and the crappy fatigue ( non contractual / unwritten ) rules forced on us. Really make for a crappy schedule and QOL for the majority of us. And if one of you says single day vacation trading will just prove my point.
02-19-2020 | 02:09 PM
#118
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,292
Likes: 1
I know you're replying to that single post, but I think the over-all theme here is that that is not achievable in the other bases. Drop down below 75 via P2P and pick up premium?... Hard to do when half the lines are 15 days off or below and built to 85 hours.. other pilots simply don't have the availability or ability to pick up your trips you advertise, or simply don't want to pick up your 4 day that starts at 0500 and ends at 2330, or one of your numerous all-nighters to EWR/JFK/BWI/FLL, etc. And then to pick up premium.. some months as an FO I've seen little or no premium posted, or if it is posted its in the first 4 days of the month.
It is what it is, however I don't think anyone except a senior SEA pilot would say we are anywhere even close to being able to make the kind of money pilots at other airlines make. And even worse is that they make more money and have more days off - that is the big gripe.
It is what it is, however I don't think anyone except a senior SEA pilot would say we are anywhere even close to being able to make the kind of money pilots at other airlines make. And even worse is that they make more money and have more days off - that is the big gripe.
02-19-2020 | 02:38 PM
#120
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 936
Likes: 1
It’s pointless to try and have a dialogue with senior captains. Doubly so when it comes to topics around pay at AS. Good on you guys for trying but we are talking about weirdos you’d never want to share any kind of space with. That sign themselves up for reserve on days off or wake up a 4am to see if they can pick up extra sims.
It’s pointless to even try. The good news is thanks to the VX group the weirdos are now outnumbered.
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It’s pointless to even try. The good news is thanks to the VX group the weirdos are now outnumbered.
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