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MinRest 02-14-2020 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2977119)
Yeah I’ll be a braindead lemming with a personality disorder for the next 35 years of my life. Spoken like a true regional pilot thats lucky to be playing the narrow body game because of a preferred hiring agreement.

Careful...

MinRest 02-15-2020 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by randomroute (Post 2977242)
Uh Oh, I really done myself in this time!

Guess I can always go back to playing in the sand if I lose my job for disturbing the fragility :eek: Dont worry Im on my way out!

I’ll give you a bit of advice. Close your mouth. You are already being heavily watched, and many know who you are and the history you had with your previous employer. Is this the path you want to go down?

NewGuy01 02-15-2020 05:24 AM

Ohhhhh! Story time!


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av8or 02-15-2020 06:59 AM

Perspective....
 
We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.

AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2

Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....

FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.

And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.

Moose 02-15-2020 07:42 AM

He is correct at 550ish. You have to add in retirements.


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2977095)
Probably more like 1,200 Captains for 100 aircraft if you include the retirements over the next 10 years but I do understand your angst.


KnockKnock 02-15-2020 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2977421)
We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.

AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2

Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....

FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.

And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.

Nailed it! I’m not sure how this will effect us but it does give us an extra inch on leverage handle. We need to do as you say and tie ourselves into AA’s gains on their narrow body fleet. Get ourselves a snap up clause like UAL had.

Outdoors 02-15-2020 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2977469)
Nailed it! I’m not sure how this will effect us but it does give us an extra inch on leverage handle. We need to do as you say and tie ourselves into AA’s gains on their narrow body fleet. Get ourselves a snap up clause like UAL had.

Exactly this.

NewGuy01 02-15-2020 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2977421)
We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.



AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2



Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....



FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.



And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.



Post of the year


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ShyGuy 02-15-2020 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2977421)
We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.

AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2

Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....

FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.

And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.


AA work rules? No thank you

av8or 02-15-2020 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2977641)
AA work rules? No thank you

just to clarify.... I didn’t mean THEIR workrules.... I meant the total $$$ package (they do make considerably more than us per days worked) PLUS proper workrules and scope


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