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THE SHAFT 02-15-2020 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 2977879)
Honest question, what in Alaska contract do you think has you making more than a 737/320 AA pilot? Looking at the contract comparison, it’s not even close. Your only nugget I see is 150% for reassignments. The pay rate disparity isn’t just at 12 year CA, it’s the whole scale except year 1&2 FO. Then it diverges quickly.

Maybe I have bad info so please correct. Alaska has a 5 hr average duty period? That’s not good. We had that (5:10). It sucked. AA went to 5:15 ACD. You guys get 150% for premium? Same at AA. Trip rigs and sit rigs I think are about the same. So does it boil down to profit sharing? Honestly curious. We are in negotiations after all and any little contractual jewel you can share could be helpful.

I apologize for the old guard they have been obsessed with the “pay rate” since they were hired, hand shake deals, pulling up the ladder and an overall dysfunctional understanding of work rules.

mainlineAF 02-16-2020 03:14 AM

Alaska joining Oneworld
 

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2977768)
I got a lot of friends at AMR... they all got 18-15 days a month off. The 18 are w/b FO’s out of DFW and LAX.



I made 31k in profit sharing last year... let me guess, you made 60k with your 1.4% right?



shy let me explain imax... for him it means he drinks XX, so he never has to work, makes the most money, is the best looking... don’t you just wish you were him



Wtf are you talking about? Work rule wise our big problem is reassignments. It used to be reassignments and lack of average calendar day, but that got fixed.

Profit sharing and STD/LTD are the two other big holes in our contract. The company opener offered delta PS so hopefully we can get disability fixed.

To your last point about imax i have no clue what you’re babbling about. Maybe switch to decaf.

mainlineAF 02-16-2020 03:18 AM

Alaska joining Oneworld
 
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mainlineAF 02-16-2020 03:25 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2977759)
Can you explain? IMAX?



It’s a super confusing formula used to limit you to a rolling credit of 90. Each month it looks back of your last 8 months credit then uses 82 (i think it’s 82) as the credit for the 9th month and adds them together then takes an average. Whatever that number comes out to be is your “imax”.

Basically you can credit a lot for 8 months then the 9th month you’re “imaxed” and only have to fly what your limit is. You then get paid the minimum line construction value while only having to work up to your imax. So you could work zero days and still get full pay. If you drove your imax low enough you would only have to fly a portion of the following month as well.

I probably explained that really bad but it’s a good deal if you can get it to work for you. Lots of guys don’t mess with it.

Saabs 02-16-2020 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2977768)
I got a lot of friends at AMR... they all got 18-15 days a month off. The 18 are w/b FO’s out of DFW and LAX.

I made 31k in profit sharing last year... let me guess, you made 60k with your 1.4% right?

shy let me explain imax... for him it means he drinks XX, so he never has to work, makes the most money, is the best looking... don’t you just wish you were him

where did he say that?

troll :cool:

MinRest 02-16-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 2977879)
Honest question, what in Alaska contract do you think has you making more than a 737/320 AA pilot? Looking at the contract comparison, it’s not even close. Your only nugget I see is 150% for reassignments. The pay rate disparity isn’t just at 12 year CA, it’s the whole scale except year 1&2 FO. Then it diverges quickly.

Maybe I have bad info so please correct. Alaska has a 5 hr average duty period? That’s not good. We had that (5:10). It sucked. AA went to 5:15 ACD. You guys get 150% for premium? Same at AA. Trip rigs and sit rigs I think are about the same. So does it boil down to profit sharing? Honestly curious. We are in negotiations after all and any little contractual jewel you can share could be helpful.

OG Alaska pilots are the most secluded pilot group from the industry as a whole. They have internet, they must have friends at other airlines, yet they seem to think the POS CBA they are working under is not only industry standard, it is industry LEADING.

I think a large percentage of the pilot group is beyond ready for change though.

cactusmike 02-16-2020 10:39 AM

So far with this announcement AA management has changed the SEA LAX schedule from all RJs to the current 1 A319 and 3RJs to 4 mainline jets and 1 RJ. So that’s a plus. As a soon to be SEA to LAX commuter I’m pretty happy. Throw in LAX crews flying the 777 flight to LHR and I’m set for the duration.

This will be good for both pilot groups. If the AA international flights do well then more flights will be added to compete with Delta. And that’s the name of the game.

Carlsbad 02-16-2020 12:14 PM

I think it will be a good thing for both airlines and both pilot groups. There are some things in our contact that are better than Alaska’s and vice versa. Overall our narrow body compensation is pretty similar, so it’s not like one group is undercutting the other. All the guys I know over there think they need big improvements in their contract, just like we need big improvements in ours.

rickair7777 02-16-2020 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Carlsbad (Post 2978207)
I think it will be a good thing for both airlines and both pilot groups. There are some things in our contact that are better than Alaska’s and vice versa. Overall our narrow body compensation is pretty similar, so it’s not like one group is undercutting the other. All the guys I know over there think they need big improvements in their contract, just like we need big improvements in ours.

The respective contracts are mostly irrelevant (scope aside) in a codeshare, you won't be cherry-picking each other's contracts unless there's an actual merger.

Carlsbad 02-16-2020 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2978237)
The respective contracts are mostly irrelevant (scope aside) in a codeshare, you won't be cherry-picking each other's contracts unless there's an actual merger.

Yes, I know that. I was making reference to the posting back and forth about who’s contract is better and who sucks, etc etc.


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