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Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 2977879)

Honest question, what in Alaska contract do you think has you making more than a 737/320 AA pilot? Looking at the contract comparison, it’s not even close. Your only nugget I see is 150% for reassignments. The pay rate disparity isn’t just at 12 year CA, it’s the whole scale except year 1&2 FO. Then it diverges quickly.

Maybe I have bad info so please correct. Alaska has a 5 hr average duty period? That’s not good. We had that (5:10). It sucked. AA went to 5:15 ACD. You guys get 150% for premium? Same at AA. Trip rigs and sit rigs I think are about the same. So does it boil down to profit sharing? Honestly curious. We are in negotiations after all and any little contractual jewel you can share could be helpful.

2019 income including profit sharing... no 401k

AS12CA $418,000
AS12CA $473,000
AS12CA $390,000
AS12CA $361,000
AS12CA $323,000
AS12CA $329,000
AS12CA $368,000

AA12CA $321,000
AA12CA $327,000
AA12FO $274,000 787
AA12FO $281,000 787
AA12FO $268,000 777
AA12FO $270,000 777
AA12FO $275,000 777

All AA pilots are commuters, all AS pilots live in base. WB FO’s averaged almost 4 more days off a month off.

Honestly, if I were at AMR I would focus on hourly rate. Your company is so upside down with debt, that even in the best years you will never see the same profit sharing even with DAL exact same profit sharing... your margins will always be significantly lower based on your company’s debt burden.

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2978350)

Posting false numbers really doesn’t help anything in the real world. You’re not a Delta pilot, get over it.

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Originally Posted by Carlsbad (Post 2978378)

Posting false numbers really doesn’t help anything in the real world. You’re not a Delta pilot, get over it.

Those are all real numbers, at least as honest as my friends are... I think they are all very honest. The two over 400 at AS have additional responsibility, everyone else is a regular line puke.

For those that don’t know, the average 12CA at AS in SEA made $313,000 last year with profit sharing. I have no idea what those numbers are at AMR. SEA was the highest number of all the AS bases.

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2978350)

2019 income including profit sharing... no 401k

AS12CA $418,000
AS12CA $473,000
AS12CA $390,000
AS12CA $361,000
AS12CA $323,000
AS12CA $329,000
AS12CA $368,000
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Apparently Alaska pays in Canadian dollars. :D

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Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 2978399)

Apparently Alaska pays in Canadian dollars. :D

Hey Brown, looks like you are running with a bunch of hustlers 😉 😂. I buy the numbers, we had a couple of guys reach 500k last year.

I am pretty sure my peeps at AMR were on the hustle too. We will call everyone guilty as charged. They were all once cactus boys!

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2978350)

You expect us to believe YOU have this many friends? :pOnly kidding.

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 2978350)

All AA pilots are commuters, all AS pilots live in base.

Bold statement considering ~700 of the 800 pilots from VX are commuters.

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Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2978428)

You expect us to believe YOU have this many friends? :pOnly kidding.

Bold statement considering ~700 of the 800 pilots from VX are commuters.

yeah I’m in CLT and most are not commuters that I fly with.

8 yr FO was 223k for me. I don’t hustle, I don’t play imax game. If a storm comes through I’ll grab some premium. Yes our contract sucks but it’s not the bottom of the barrel. I don’t believe those numbers at all. I’m sure there are plenty at both AA and Alaska that make way more than that.

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Originally Posted by echelon (Post 2978428)

You expect us to believe YOU have this many friends? :pOnly kidding.

Bold statement considering ~700 of the 800 pilots from VX are commuters.

I can’t imagine commuting with this company. I am pretty sure you and I work for two different companies.