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OTZeagle1 11-17-2021 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3322894)
and once again, where were the scope improvements? How is that a poor comparison?

It’s easy to look back in time and Monday chair QB…. Let’s take an honest look though, not knowing the future.
I know it’s a weird concept but in a healthy economy, industry, with demand, one claims improvements.

2005- Legacy’s in bankruptcy. The airline industry was a disaster. Yup, we missed it, that was the year for huge improvements.

2009- Ah have you heard of the Great Recession? Didn’t the legacies furlough? I am not arguing need, but didn’t we furlough? It is honestly surprising we didn’t hammer out industry leading scope and rates in that environment.

2013- Well that might have been the first time we had something. We were on the front end of that one. Looking back, the time value of money was most certainly worth it JH.

2016- That was the year, but thanks to the merger, it was arbitration.

If the economy holds we finally have all the big three on our side this negotiation cycle. You will get us nothing with your perceived personal strength and nobility. It will rather be a simple case of economics and supply and demand. We will get scope, industry pay, a whole new scheduling package, but only if it all holds!

Keep telling yourself your better though, things most certainly would have been different on your watch. You would have brought the entire industry to its knees preventing UsAir, UAL, DAL, NWA, AMR, FRNT, HAL, Midwest, ATA, Aloha from bankruptcy. Yes, you are a member of Club Marvel.

3, yes 3 union guys left for management. Shame on them but 3 dude!

Since your so smart, how did the legacies get their scope? Honest question, please enlighten me

I have voted No for three contracts at Alaska, but I am a spineless wimp. I am sure glad we have you!

snaksala 11-20-2021 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3324150)
It’s easy to look back in time and Monday chair QB…. Let’s take an honest look though, not knowing the future.
I know it’s a weird concept but in a healthy economy, industry, with demand, one claims improvements.

2005- Legacy’s in bankruptcy. The airline industry was a disaster. Yup, we missed it, that was the year for huge improvements.

2009- Ah have you heard of the Great Recession? Didn’t the legacies furlough? I am not arguing need, but didn’t we furlough? It is honestly surprising we didn’t hammer out industry leading scope and rates in that environment.

2013- Well that might have been the first time we had something. We were on the front end of that one. Looking back, the time value of money was most certainly worth it JH.

2016- That was the year, but thanks to the merger, it was arbitration.

If the economy holds we finally have all the big three on our side this negotiation cycle. You will get us nothing with your perceived personal strength and nobility. It will rather be a simple case of economics and supply and demand. We will get scope, industry pay, a whole new scheduling package, but only if it all holds!

Keep telling yourself your better though, things most certainly would have been different on your watch. You would have brought the entire industry to its knees preventing UsAir, UAL, DAL, NWA, AMR, FRNT, HAL, Midwest, ATA, Aloha from bankruptcy. Yes, you are a member of Club Marvel.

3, yes 3 union guys left for management. Shame on them but 3 dude!

Since your so smart, how did the legacies get their scope? Honest question, please enlighten me

I have voted No for three contracts at Alaska, but I am a spineless wimp. I am sure glad we have you!


Jesus this is the most embarrassing scribe I've seen in quite some time. Stop talking and tuck your balls away, We all know you'll be the first to grab some sweet premium while Alaska pilots are striking.

OTZeagle1 11-20-2021 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by snaksala (Post 3325499)
Jesus this is the most embarrassing scribe I've seen in quite some time. Stop talking and tuck your balls away, We all know you'll be the first to grab some sweet premium while Alaska pilots are striking.

When is this strike going to take place? I bet it’s right around the corner, days away😂😂😂… Talk about misinformed and uneducated. Yes, but let’s talk about nonsense…. Strikes and Burning the place to the ground. Yes, because that means we’re super tough, super smart, bad *masses that are finally going to bring Alaska management to its knees. Make way, “real Marines coming through.” You must come from CAP, you like running around pretending you are in a war.

av8or 11-21-2021 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3324150)
It’s easy to look back in time and Monday chair QB…. Let’s take an honest look though, not knowing the future.
I know it’s a weird concept but in a healthy economy, industry, with demand, one claims improvements.

2005- Legacy’s in bankruptcy. The airline industry was a disaster. Yup, we missed it, that was the year for huge improvements.

2009- Ah have you heard of the Great Recession? Didn’t the legacies furlough? I am not arguing need, but didn’t we furlough? It is honestly surprising we didn’t hammer out industry leading scope and rates in that environment.

2013- Well that might have been the first time we had something. We were on the front end of that one. Looking back, the time value of money was most certainly worth it JH.

2016- That was the year, but thanks to the merger, it was arbitration.

If the economy holds we finally have all the big three on our side this negotiation cycle. You will get us nothing with your perceived personal strength and nobility. It will rather be a simple case of economics and supply and demand. We will get scope, industry pay, a whole new scheduling package, but only if it all holds!

Keep telling yourself your better though, things most certainly would have been different on your watch. You would have brought the entire industry to its knees preventing UsAir, UAL, DAL, NWA, AMR, FRNT, HAL, Midwest, ATA, Aloha from bankruptcy. Yes, you are a member of Club Marvel.

3, yes 3 union guys left for management. Shame on them but 3 dude!

Since your so smart, how did the legacies get their scope? Honest question, please enlighten me

I have voted No for three contracts at Alaska, but I am a spineless wimp. I am sure glad we have you!

MIGHT have been a good idea for Alaska pilots to look outside of the PNW bubble back in the 90’s and watch what was going down at Delta with Comair etc and get out ahead of it with a scope LONG before RJs ever hit the property at Horizon. Nearly every other major airline started scrambling for scope in the late 90’s.

So, yes economics plays a role…. But sure seems like a healthy dose of naivety as well. “They’d never…”

9mikemike 11-21-2021 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 3325533)
MIGHT have been a good idea for Alaska pilots to look outside of the PNW bubble back in the 90’s and watch what was going down at Delta with Comair etc and get out ahead of it with a scope LONG before RJs ever hit the property at Horizon. Nearly every other major airline started scrambling for scope in the late 90’s.

So, yes economics plays a role…. But sure seems like a healthy dose of naivety as well. “They’d never…”

As a matter of point Horizon flew F-28’s(26 of them)from 1984 into 2004 so the “Jet threat” has been real for a long time. It was the “all CPA move” in 2011 followed by the removal of the remainder of the CRJ-700’s from Horizon that lulled everyone asleep….Turbo-props at Horizon and only 6 CRJ’s at Skywest for most was proof that Brad Tilden had spoken truthfully in 2009. Perfect set up to quell the “Scope” drive that was building and “Contract 200”(2013) sailed through without a whimper…That was the last chance we had…We would have secured the changes to scheduling/reserve, we would have secured competitive pay rates, we would have secured defined scope language…all of this in Contract 2018. The company lies and the proliferation of E175’s at Skywest and Horizon were in full swing, the change in attitude at even the highest levels of seniority had occurred …But all that was swept away with a merger and Alaska managers were successful at pitting the “Red Tails” against the “Eskimos” in all work groups. Nothing productive has occurred since then…The “Eskimos” have only themselves to thank for the swamp we find ourselves in today…..Ignorance, naivety and a skilled anti-labor executive suite have ruled the day…

snaksala 12-02-2021 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3325519)
When is this strike going to take place? I bet it’s right around the corner, days away😂😂😂… Talk about misinformed and uneducated. Yes, but let’s talk about nonsense…. Strikes and Burning the place to the ground. Yes, because that means we’re super tough, super smart, bad *masses that are finally going to bring Alaska management to its knees. Make way, “real Marines coming through.” You must come from CAP, you like running around pretending you are in a war.

You know you're proving my point, right? Like I need a "WTF" meme right now... Embarrassing.

ShyGuy 12-03-2021 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by snaksala (Post 3330399)
You know you're proving my point, right? Like I need a "WTF" meme right now... Embarrassing.

I thought it was embarrassing accusing him of being a would-be scab.

snaksala 12-06-2021 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3330561)
I thought it was embarrassing accusing him of being a would-be scab.

Well Mr “I hate conflict so much that I assume the opinions of whatever group I currently associate with” If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck…

OTZeagle1 12-06-2021 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by snaksala (Post 3331923)
Well Mr “I hate conflict so much that I assume the opinions of whatever group I currently associate with” If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck…

Dude, sadly you are miserable. You blame AS for everything that’s wrong in your life, expecting somehow a job might fulfill you. You alone have created a web covetousness and anger. Yes, sadly you are the only one to blame for your unhappiness.

flyprdu 12-07-2021 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3332004)
Dude, sadly you are miserable. You blame AS for everything that’s wrong in your life, expecting somehow a job might fulfill you. You alone have created a web covetousness and anger. Yes, sadly you are the only one to blame for your unhappiness.

"It's just a job" is the final refrain of Alaska pilots who have lost the battle defending how badly they're treated.


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