well Alaska is different from the other airlines you mentioned.. Alaska is still here. To get a better contact you have to be willing to burn the house down. The older pilots with their pensions were not willing to do that. So, we have the contract they gave us.

They are now the minority and changes are coming. We will fight as hard now as they should have fought then. But they had other objectives.

That might be the dumbest post of the year… Pure nonsense, dude you are clueless. Gross generalization about something you know absolutely nothing about. Perfect, are you a member of team marvel by chance?🤞🤞🤞

well of course it’s a gross generalization, this is the Internet. It is however wrong to say I know nothing about it. Please enlighten us on how the pilot group fought tooth and nail to get scope before and after Kasher. How many Union leaders at that time ended up in Management after getting non industry standard contracts passed by the pilot group?

Apparently, I know more that you do. Or just more than you care to admit you know.

There's no quicker way to upset the old timers than to dispel the myth that they have the best jobs in the industry.

Or to call attention to their history of rolling over for the company in the hopes of securing a backdoor deal for the connected.

Being happy at Alaska requires multiple levels of denial. They don't appreciate anyone holding up mirrors.

Where we are now is we are a pilot group that has twice taken scope to binding arbitration, twice been told by the arbitrators that we deserved scope, and twice been told that they couldn't create an item from scratch. Other airlines have had to strike to get scope protection. Isn't that what American went on strike for in the late '90's? You remember, the strike that lasted 5 minutes before Clinton declared a PEB?
Yes, we had a no-strike clause for decades, but that went away in 2005 with the Kasher arbitration. He was the first to deny us scope while admitting we deserved it, the JCBA arbitration was the second. The company has told us to our faces that scope is "off the table". Right now we have a unified group, willing and able to ask the federal mediator to declare an impasse and release us to legal self help after a 30 day cooling off period. We tried to do this through arbitration and keep metal moving. There is no other option for us at the moment than for the mediator to declare an impasse and let the processes spelled out in the Railway Labor Act come to pass. For you to point to the past will only serve for this unified pilot group to lose direction.

So now the primary leverage is getting an impasse declared for the 30 day cooling? What do you honestly think the chances are of that.

Pretty good given enough time. What's your depth of experience that makes you think it's unlikely? Pinnacle?

Please inform us on your experience with the NMB.

You obviously didn't pay attention to Frontier's experience with the NMB. We were the textbook case for being released, but the NMB went silent when we asked them to declare an impasse in 2018.

Seems you didn't pray hard enough.

what will makes us lose direction is making posts like this and forgetting about 2009. Did it slip your mind? You know, the contact where pilots on property kept their pension. No room for scope improvements in that contract?