Garbage Airline Keeps Cutting
06-27-2021, 02:29 PM
#11
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Fair enough. Good points
Originally Posted by echelon
Compared to an NFL quarterback, my ability to throw a football is a joke, but that's irrelevant because that's not how I've chosen to make money. This particular city pair is clearly not how Alaska has chosen to make money, or they WOULD have the lie flat seats and premium service.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for the company that signs my paychecks to be growing aggressively, to be competitive in every market, to have limitless resources to throw at winning customers, etc, and to still remain highly profitable. Unfortunately, I don't have any control over this company's business decisions and neither do you, we both just have to live with them (while simultaneously making this career as profitable as possible for ourselves).
So I'm personally disappointed by a lot of their business decisions, but I'm also not stupid enough to think that they don't have good reasons for making them and without access to the same information they have and the same analyses that they've done, nobody here is qualified to say otherwise.
Tell them you demand scope, tell them you demand industry leading work rules, tell them you demand higher wages, etc. Don't tell them which routes to fly.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for the company that signs my paychecks to be growing aggressively, to be competitive in every market, to have limitless resources to throw at winning customers, etc, and to still remain highly profitable. Unfortunately, I don't have any control over this company's business decisions and neither do you, we both just have to live with them (while simultaneously making this career as profitable as possible for ourselves).
So I'm personally disappointed by a lot of their business decisions, but I'm also not stupid enough to think that they don't have good reasons for making them and without access to the same information they have and the same analyses that they've done, nobody here is qualified to say otherwise.
Tell them you demand scope, tell them you demand industry leading work rules, tell them you demand higher wages, etc. Don't tell them which routes to fly.
06-27-2021, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Compared to an NFL quarterback, my ability to throw a football is a joke, but that's irrelevant because that's not how I've chosen to make money. This particular city pair is clearly not how Alaska has chosen to make money, or they WOULD have the lie flat seats and premium service.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for the company that signs my paychecks to be growing aggressively, to be competitive in every market, to have limitless resources to throw at winning customers, etc, and to still remain highly profitable. Unfortunately, I don't have any control over this company's business decisions and neither do you, we both just have to live with them (while simultaneously making this career as profitable as possible for ourselves).
So I'm personally disappointed by a lot of their business decisions, but I'm also not stupid enough to think that they don't have good reasons for making them and without access to the same information they have and the same analyses that they've done, nobody here is qualified to say otherwise.
Tell them you demand scope, tell them you demand industry leading work rules, tell them you demand higher wages, etc. Don't tell them which routes to fly.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for the company that signs my paychecks to be growing aggressively, to be competitive in every market, to have limitless resources to throw at winning customers, etc, and to still remain highly profitable. Unfortunately, I don't have any control over this company's business decisions and neither do you, we both just have to live with them (while simultaneously making this career as profitable as possible for ourselves).
So I'm personally disappointed by a lot of their business decisions, but I'm also not stupid enough to think that they don't have good reasons for making them and without access to the same information they have and the same analyses that they've done, nobody here is qualified to say otherwise.
Tell them you demand scope, tell them you demand industry leading work rules, tell them you demand higher wages, etc. Don't tell them which routes to fly.
When Alaska bought Jet America they paid $14 mill ($33 mill in today’s dollars) and other than pulling out of Long Beach they kept and expanded the Jet America/Cali footprint. That was an offensive move for Alaska.
But, nobody believes that the purchase of Virgin was primarily a move to grow in California. Everybody knows that was a defensive move. Everybody knows that in early 2018 when management was asked “Hey, ummm, y’all concerned at all about Delta?” the response was, “No way man…. We got this… no problem. They can’t beat us in Seattle!” which quietly a year later turned into “OMG protect Seattle…. Run everything through Seattle!” Everybody knows that our current push on Hawaii is in direct response to Southwest gunning for us in the islands…. yet another defensive move. Fall of 2019…. Breaking off ties with American…. Spring 2020…. We’re absolutely code-sharing with American and joining OneWorld. Defense.
And what you’re hearing,(most likely from folks who’ve watched and been a part of great airlines that eventually either got swallowed or ceased to exist altogether) is concern that this management team either lacks the skills, or forethought to navigate the fierce competition on more than one front.
Nobody is telling management what routes to fly. If you’re decently senior here….. you’re probably fine either way. The rest of us are just scratching our heads and sayin, “Hey Gen Custer, ya sure ya want us to all gather in one spot at the top of the hill? It appears as though they have Winchester repeating rifles and we’re still using single shot Springfields.”
And the response by some seems to be … “Listen here…. We’ve always won at Little Bighorn and the Springfield has served us well….. don’t you worry son.”
I HOPE there’s a bigger picture cause my wagon is hitched to it. But, if there’s one other than Defense, defense, defense…. I’m still waitin to see it.
06-27-2021, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by av8or
I HOPE there’s a bigger picture cause my wagon is hitched to it. But, if there’s one other than Defense, defense, defense…. I’m still waitin to see it.
https://youtu.be/SW9OskQdHQQ?t=32
06-27-2021, 04:08 PM
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Excellent post. Spot on analysis and comparison. As much as I hate this place, my cart is also hitched to this mule
Originally Posted by av8or
I think you are conflating concern with hubris.
When Alaska bought Jet America they paid $14 mill ($33 mill in today’s dollars) and other than pulling out of Long Beach they kept and expanded the Jet America/Cali footprint. That was an offensive move for Alaska.
But, nobody believes that the purchase of Virgin was primarily a move to grow in California. Everybody knows that was a defensive move. Everybody knows that in early 2018 when management was asked “Hey, ummm, y’all concerned at all about Delta?” the response was, “No way man…. We got this… no problem. They can’t beat us in Seattle!” which quietly a year later turned into “OMG protect Seattle…. Run everything through Seattle!” Everybody knows that our current push on Hawaii is in direct response to Southwest gunning for us in the islands…. yet another defensive move. Fall of 2019…. Breaking off ties with American…. Spring 2020…. We’re absolutely code-sharing with American and joining OneWorld. Defense.
And what you’re hearing,(most likely from folks who’ve watched and been a part of great airlines that eventually either got swallowed or ceased to exist altogether) is concern that this management team either lacks the skills, or forethought to navigate the fierce competition on more than one front.
Nobody is telling management what routes to fly. If you’re decently senior here….. you’re probably fine either way. The rest of us are just scratching our heads and sayin, “Hey Gen Custer, ya sure ya want us to all gather in one spot at the top of the hill? It appears as though they have Winchester repeating rifles and we’re still using single shot Springfields.”
And the response by some seems to be … “Listen here…. We’ve always won at Little Bighorn and the Springfield has served us well….. don’t you worry son.”
I HOPE there’s a bigger picture cause my wagon is hitched to it. But, if there’s one other than Defense, defense, defense…. I’m still waitin to see it.
When Alaska bought Jet America they paid $14 mill ($33 mill in today’s dollars) and other than pulling out of Long Beach they kept and expanded the Jet America/Cali footprint. That was an offensive move for Alaska.
But, nobody believes that the purchase of Virgin was primarily a move to grow in California. Everybody knows that was a defensive move. Everybody knows that in early 2018 when management was asked “Hey, ummm, y’all concerned at all about Delta?” the response was, “No way man…. We got this… no problem. They can’t beat us in Seattle!” which quietly a year later turned into “OMG protect Seattle…. Run everything through Seattle!” Everybody knows that our current push on Hawaii is in direct response to Southwest gunning for us in the islands…. yet another defensive move. Fall of 2019…. Breaking off ties with American…. Spring 2020…. We’re absolutely code-sharing with American and joining OneWorld. Defense.
And what you’re hearing,(most likely from folks who’ve watched and been a part of great airlines that eventually either got swallowed or ceased to exist altogether) is concern that this management team either lacks the skills, or forethought to navigate the fierce competition on more than one front.
Nobody is telling management what routes to fly. If you’re decently senior here….. you’re probably fine either way. The rest of us are just scratching our heads and sayin, “Hey Gen Custer, ya sure ya want us to all gather in one spot at the top of the hill? It appears as though they have Winchester repeating rifles and we’re still using single shot Springfields.”
And the response by some seems to be … “Listen here…. We’ve always won at Little Bighorn and the Springfield has served us well….. don’t you worry son.”
I HOPE there’s a bigger picture cause my wagon is hitched to it. But, if there’s one other than Defense, defense, defense…. I’m still waitin to see it.
06-27-2021, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
4000#s per crossing, on average. But ask me about my 6 leg inner island day in a couple weeks and all my time spent "Motoring"...
06-28-2021, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
flew with a SCR guy and that's what he told me. Al of this was before covid tho
06-28-2021, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Texasbound
The only proven reliable source is crew van drivers. "top men", SCR guys, homeless guy living outside the training center, they just repeat rumors.
06-28-2021, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
4000#s per crossing, on average. But ask me about my 6 leg inner island day in a couple weeks and all my time spent "Motoring"...
Still always in a hurry I see.
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