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deraa 05-13-2022 02:14 PM

What are the average hours and experience they are looking for when hiring?

av8trup2late 05-13-2022 02:40 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/united-airlines-pilots-union-reach-contract-agreement.html

av8or 05-13-2022 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by deraa (Post 3422043)
What are the average hours and experience they are looking for when hiring?

Thats hard to say. The min experience to work here is getting lower by the day.

poutine 05-13-2022 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by deraa (Post 3422043)
What are the average hours and experience they are looking for when hiring?

a friend currently in initial training was a regional FO, zero TPIC, who also just got CJO at LUV and have one of Big 3 interview lined up.
AS won’t stand a chance, can never staff properly other than keep shrinking.

ImperialxRat 05-14-2022 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by poutine (Post 3422198)
a friend currently in initial training was a regional FO, zero TPIC, who also just got CJO at LUV and have one of Big 3 interview lined up.
AS won’t stand a chance, can never staff properly other than keep shrinking.

Our problem isn’t attrition, we’re understaffed because of Ukraine… I mean a pilot shortage… I mean a snowstorm.. no wait it’s because the training department is too slow… oh actually it’s Omnicrom.. or was it cutting back the schedule due to cost competition.. could be an impending recession, or high ticket prices. What I am confident in is that the cause is anything but attrition - they said it in an email so it must be true.

Jetlikespeed 05-14-2022 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 3422427)
Our problem isn’t attrition, we’re understaffed because of Ukraine… I mean a pilot shortage… I mean a snowstorm.. no wait it’s because the training department is too slow… oh actually it’s Omnicrom.. or was it cutting back the schedule due to cost competition.. could be an impending recession, or high ticket prices. What I am confident in is that the cause is anything but attrition - they said it in an email so it must be true.

no no no it’s because the month went from April to may! Who could of seen that coming!!!

9mikemike 05-14-2022 09:05 AM

Others have said it……Alaska Airlines has always deferred/delayed orders, reduced schedules etc. to balance staffing needs against competitive pressures. They have an impressive track record of doing so just ahead of recessions/disasters/mergers etc…and we seem to always have incredibly poor luck in our negotiation timeline…These things have made them the super-heroes of the investor world…This is life at a boutique investment firm…that happens to own airplanes. In their plan, attrition is not a problem. We speak pilot language to them and they speak investor language to us….There is no plan after we do get a contract for Alaska Airlines to run an airline…These are the facts with which potential hires should view this company…Pilot myopia is always a problem here.

Rangerover 05-14-2022 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3422477)
Others have said it……Alaska Airlines has always deferred/delayed orders, reduced schedules etc. to balance staffing needs against competitive pressures. They have an impressive track record of doing so just ahead of recessions/disasters/mergers etc…and we seem to always have incredibly poor luck in our negotiation timeline…These things have made them the super-heroes of the investor world…This is life at a boutique investment firm…that happens to own airplanes. In their plan, attrition is not a problem. We speak pilot language to them and they speak investor language to us….There is no plan after we do get a contract for Alaska Airlines to run an airline…These are the facts with which potential hires should view this company…Pilot myopia is always a problem here.

Attrition is a problem. They just don’t want to publicly admit it. This new United AIP is going to make it worse.

Blip 05-14-2022 09:17 AM

In July the email from the CEO will be that unfortunately we're going to have to cut back the schedule in the fall because unexpectedly only half of the pilot we thought would come online stayed. Super unexpectedly

All Bizniz 05-14-2022 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Blip (Post 3422488)
In July the email from the CEO will be that unfortunately we're going to have to cut back the schedule in the fall because unexpectedly only half of the pilot we thought would come online stayed. Super unexpectedly

Yeah, they'll prolly say that the Flight Ops/Training Dept did a poor job with their New Hire Mentoring program, so it was not effective in encouraging pilot retention.


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