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07-01-2022 | 10:34 AM
#203
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Doesn’t work. If something doesn’t give soon, huge changes are coming. Right now AS is planning for a world where no pilot or FA is based in California. There is talk of very small turn bases but I would bet it all goes.
07-01-2022 | 10:54 AM
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07-01-2022 | 10:56 AM
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Although they could hypothetically close the bases and start/end every trip with DHD's from SEA. Which the CA would locals would simply not take. Big productivity hit. Maybe a LAS base would be better, less impact on FDP and less DHD pay.
07-01-2022 | 11:29 AM
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One would hope. How do they do long haul if they have to stop and let everybody off for a lunch break every four hours?
So they're going to totally abdicate Cali? Shrink to 1800 pilots? How's that going to align with their commuter-hating philosophy?
Although they could hypothetically close the bases and start/end every trip with DHD's from SEA. Which the CA would locals would simply not take. Big productivity hit. Maybe a LAS base would be better, less impact on FDP and less DHD pay.
So they're going to totally abdicate Cali? Shrink to 1800 pilots? How's that going to align with their commuter-hating philosophy?
Although they could hypothetically close the bases and start/end every trip with DHD's from SEA. Which the CA would locals would simply not take. Big productivity hit. Maybe a LAS base would be better, less impact on FDP and less DHD pay.
There will be no huge attrition on the pilot side… Every major airline will end up closing CA bases, it doesn’t work with those laws.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what UAL does with us in the future.
07-01-2022 | 11:48 AM
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🤔 Really, it’s not hard. Build 4 and 5 day trips that start and end in SEA & PDX… there will be some DH’s but it will work. JFK base will help, maybe a BOI, LAS, SLC, PHX. It’s going to take a little transferring of the network. It’s early but small bases in all four would help but they can get it all done with just larger SEA and PDX bases for now. To grow in the future, well that’s gonna take some new bases.
There will be no huge attrition on the pilot side… Every major airline will end up closing CA bases, it doesn’t work with those laws.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what UAL does with us in the future.
There will be no huge attrition on the pilot side… Every major airline will end up closing CA bases, it doesn’t work with those laws.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what UAL does with us in the future.
07-01-2022 | 02:31 PM
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Whatever happened to the United merger?
07-01-2022 | 05:02 PM
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But in regards to the SCOTUS refusal to hear the case and the 9th circuit decision standing, it is happening. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think that something has to give way here. The AFA thinks hiring (in our case) a 5th flight attendant would solve the problem with rotating breaks and an off duty FA onboard, but the law says off premise. Nor does it seem like the 1 hr pay per break missed is allowed on a routine basis. Nor does it seem that their contract can override CA state law.
07-01-2022 | 05:09 PM
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If it really does end up that all airlines pull most or all of their crews out of California the law will get amended pretty quickly. That's a lot of tax revenue to give to neighboring states. If a relief crew member really doesn't count, how do the big 3 operate all of their international flights? Something will give in the text of the law before that happens.
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