ShyGuy

Define “normal attrition.”

Higher than last year? Yes, much higher. But an informal poll of attrition at JetBlue and Spirit showed that YTD, the amount of people hired and attrition so far are extremely at JetBlue, Spirit, and Alaska. But standby, you’re about to hear how attrition is an Alaska-only problem because of a lack of a new pilot contract.

Jet J

was just looking for the numbers. His post implied that attrition numbers went up from the previous months this year. When I said normal I was meaning the last 6 months or so. Maybe I misunderstood.

OTZeagle1

27 in June, 13 so far in July…

Jet J

………………. Ty

popNfresh

Where do you see the June report? I only see the 5/31 attrition report on the ALPA app.

OTZeagle1

It will post soon…
27 June
13 July… so far
1 already for August

safe bet is July or August is gonna hit a 30 number 😂
maybe both.

Wonder if Sangita is still laughing at all the AS pilots🤔…

GoodJet

The average (mean) attrition for January-May was 14.6

Every month 13-17 pilots left. June was a big increase to 27 and July is already indicating 13 but there are likely many more considering what I am hearing on the line. I think the significance is what is being debated here and why you saw a negative reaction to your question from one of our more, outspoken members. It was pretty much cannon that it would take a lot of pilots leaving to change the terrible position for pilots here at AS. This is apparently no longer the case as classes are being overbooked by 20% and attrition is increasing rapidly yet management is not doing anything meaningful to help the pilot group out. In fact they are just going to hire through the attrition and telling us that staffing is fine. I think this is where a lot of the debate around leverage and attrition comes from.

There is positive news coming from our negotiation committee. However, this could just be a fake moment of goodwill as a stalling tactic to keep things going through the summer.

ShyGuy

Devils advocate. We sign the ALPA ask, entirely, with 320/hr CAs and full retro to Apr 1, 2020.

I’m a sub 35 yr old newhire at AS with 30 or more years left. Tell me again, why should I stay at AS? Are we really going to pretend a new TA is going to keep me around? I don’t even care if it’s 350/hr. Why stick around as a new person for 30+ years, in 5 west coast ONLY bases, the MAX9/10 for the rest of my career, with much slower movement, lower retirements over the next 10 years?

Sorry, I don’t see the attrition problem stopping so as long as the big 3 pax + big 2 cargo keep hiring in big numbers as they are nowadays. The avg longevity for resignations is published by ALPA and seems to be a sub 3-yr value. No surprise there.

GoodJet

Hiring at the majors can change to furloughs overnight. That's the one thing that AS has going for it.

Arctichicken

No junior pilots are immune. Eskimo furloughed in ‘08ish and would have furloughed again during COVID without ALA MEC’s intervention. We’re all just liabilities to Angle Lake. $$$ talk and everyone else walks.