I thought they just spent a ton of money at SFO for expansion so why would they close it? Hopefully I'll get more then management doesn't know how to operate an airline 😂

Thats only partially true. They know how to run the airline that’s existed for 90 yrs…. In much the same way it’s existed for at least the last 20…. Reactively and at a profit.

There is nothing about our branding or messaging internally or externally that says to people outside of our current footprint and client base “Fly Alaska.” That’s considered a feature not a bug by AS management. In the same way In N Out doesn’t head down to Texas to compete with WhatABurger.

They do what they do. When challenged, they do one of two things…. Retreat….. or start shuffling the deck to protect SEA. That’s it. That’s the playbook. Is what it is. Outside of their legacy core market, they ride the winds of change like a Bedouin tribe. So, one day…. In SFO, one day maybe out, then maybe expand, then maybe shut it down.

That’s who we are. It’s just not what most pilots want. Our individual options are: Leave… or…. fight for a contract that makes staying and putting up with it worth our while. Application ink, or April 1. Anything other than that is just pillow talk IMO.

The only question that remains is whether or

There are lots of IN-N-OUT's in TX!

Dang!!! No kidding??!! Maybe that’s to serve the Cali - TX migration. Lol Had em both. Like em both…. Still a WhatABurger man myself.

Well there you go, tossing all your credibility out the window!! Whataburger…oooph!

In and out is far inferior to whataburger.

Their fries taste like actual cardboard.. but oh wait before you tell me to animal style them… I shouldn’t have to cover my fries in thousand island and cheese to make them taste good.. they do taste good animal style but still like eating cardboard covered with delicious sauce.

go whataburger.

Oh yeah,
Alaska still sucks big time

If In N Out offered spicy ketchup and bacon I might reconsider. 😉😂

We are talking about closing the pilot domicile in SFO. The rest of SFO including the FA base will remain and grow. Think San Diego. They have never spent any money in SFO for the pilot domicile. Alaska does not do any hub city or focus city planning that includes a pilot domicile…,

Maybe the think the current pilot backlash is largely instigated by old-skool VX people, and this is their way of punishing them?

I don’t think “they” think much about pilots or care much about pilots. Any of them. Alaska truly would like to go back to 3 pilot bases. They have disliked the PDX pilot base since it opened. SFO falls squarely into that category. They are happy to have FA bases all over but not pilot bases. Deeply entrenched company culture that just can’t change.

They should just close both and send us all to Seattle. 🙄

I think that’s probably right on the money. Watch the initial reaction by the execs when asked about pilots at the investor relations video.

Culturally: Have y’all seen the new “Care Bell” promo? If Dunder Mufflin was an airline, and Michael Scott put together an add campaign. Epic.

Ah yes, "The Office," a sitcom from the mid 2000's. And the "more cowbell" skit from SNL, from 2000. Very in character for Alaska Airlines to be hamfistedly parodying those relics, twenty years behind the times as always!

Btw…. Not that I even care. Pay me.

Amen!! Filler

Well… come on, lets hear. I guess I am just really good at guessing… Right twice a day!

Start your clock FlapsZERO

Just seen rough draft of the follow up bid… LAX 320 ZERO JAN 31/2023😱 SFO ZERO period OCT 31/2024

That should have been SFO closing 10/31/2023

SD is still saying SFO will open a 73 base late this year, close A320 SFO base early 2023🤔 I still put the odds at 3 to 1 SFO closes.

Drink much? Maybe you need another edit.

SCP (SD) just sent email indicating: "The following bid, effective in early 2023, will fully close the SFO Airbus base and fully staff the SFO Boeing base."

Who is "confused", him or you?

Cheers - Rob.

Yeah for a second I thought you were tooting your own horn for being wrong.

Plus what’s it matter when we are on the verge of collapse because the company expects us to work on out days off

What are the average hours and experience they are looking for when hiring?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/united-airlines-pilots-union-reach-contract-agreement.html

Thats hard to say. The min experience to work here is getting lower by the day.

a friend currently in initial training was a regional FO, zero TPIC, who also just got CJO at LUV and have one of Big 3 interview lined up.
AS won’t stand a chance, can never staff properly other than keep shrinking.

Our problem isn’t attrition, we’re understaffed because of Ukraine… I mean a pilot shortage… I mean a snowstorm.. no wait it’s because the training department is too slow… oh actually it’s Omnicrom.. or was it cutting back the schedule due to cost competition.. could be an impending recession, or high ticket prices. What I am confident in is that the cause is anything but attrition - they said it in an email so it must be true.

no no no it’s because the month went from April to may! Who could of seen that coming!!!

Others have said it……Alaska Airlines has always deferred/delayed orders, reduced schedules etc. to balance staffing needs against competitive pressures. They have an impressive track record of doing so just ahead of recessions/disasters/mergers etc…and we seem to always have incredibly poor luck in our negotiation timeline…These things have made them the super-heroes of the investor world…This is life at a boutique investment firm…that happens to own airplanes. In their plan, attrition is not a problem. We speak pilot language to them and they speak investor language to us….There is no plan after we do get a contract for Alaska Airlines to run an airline…These are the facts with which potential hires should view this company…Pilot myopia is always a problem here.

Attrition is a problem. They just don’t want to publicly admit it. This new United AIP is going to make it worse.

In July the email from the CEO will be that unfortunately we're going to have to cut back the schedule in the fall because unexpectedly only half of the pilot we thought would come online stayed. Super unexpectedly

Yeah, they'll prolly say that the Flight Ops/Training Dept did a poor job with their New Hire Mentoring program, so it was not effective in encouraging pilot retention.

A rectal temperature north of freezing and a vague recollection of a Cessna 172. I think that’s all they can hope for at this point..

🤣🤣🤣😎

—-filler

also Big 3 put a ‘metering’ to hire their regional pilots in an attempt to maintain staffing level.
do a touch n go at Alaskan is the best shortcut for them.

How far out is the start of training in Seattle after an interview at this point?

I apologize if this has been discussed recently, I searched through several threads on here but did not see an answer. Lots of stuff about the contract, training being a bit slow paced, etc...but not the training dates.

I’m not sure exactly where it is at the moment, but a few months back it was running between 2-3 months from CJO to class date.

It’s about 6 months from CJO to Alaska to Delta/United.

Lol... Very clever, n prolly very true..

thats absolutely hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

about a month to 1.5 months is what I’m hearing.

I had a friend who recently started 3.5 weeks after interviewing.