So they will have a July class date at Delta…Tell them nice work and dont forget us

“The good news is that just 11% of CEOs anticipate a so-called hard landing, marked by a deep recession. The rest expect a "very short, mild" recession.”

You got to love CNN.

Or…. In our case…. Praying for one.

Even with a downturn, there's a shortage now an retirements continue. They who have the most pilots, ...wins.

What is the training footprint like? I'm assuming M-F for a few weeks and then SIM. And do you get positive space home on off days? And how long until you're in CASS? Thanks!

1Week of indoc, 1 week of systems, 1 more week of systems, 7 sessions in the FTD, 11 sessions in the sim, couple days of ETOPS then wait around for OE. Positive space non-bumpable between SEA and home. You should be good for CASS in the first couple days.

Yes, M-F for the most part for Indoc and Systems, 3-4 weeks. Yup
Yes, positive space to your home of record during all training.
Once you receive your company ID (day one) and KnownCrewmber your in CASS.

The training footprint is about 2 months of classroom/SIM stuff and 4-6 weeks wait for IOE. M-F for classroom instruction but once you get to FTD/SIM the schedule may vary. You may even get a week or two off before they can put you in SIM. You will have at least 2 days off between blocks and you will get positive space travel during your training footprint. CASS is typically granted during the week 1 before your first leave so you won't have any problem if you have to jump seat on other airlines. Overall it is very relaxed and moderately paced compare to some other places.

Anyone hear they sent home up to 16 new hires from PHX? Not enough instructors?

Yep, it's true.

Training department is stretched thin. There are not enough instructors and they can't train new ones fast enough.

……..………PHX?

There are 737 sims in PHX.

What does that mean? Did they have training scheduled in PHX, showed up but there were no instructors or are they just getting a longer break in between sims?

New hires get per diem while training in PHX, versus SEA. My guess is, if there wasn’t enough instructors for a week or two, then they sent everyone home to wait it out instead of having them sit in PHX and pay them all that per diem.

Or staying in a hotel instead the comfort of their own home...I'd rather sit at home and not collect that per diem.

Oh no doubt, me too.

Or you could collect the per diem, while you jumpseat home until they find an instructor and build you a schedule.

Depends on how short of a leash you want to be on.

That was a very depressing email to receive. Very amateur hour.

Math is hard for Alaska Airlines….Public math even harder….The people that are occupying positions that are well above their competency level….Think VP of Flight all the way to the newest paper-clip sorter…They need to be removed and replaced…Like a generator that wont hold volts and freqs….Unfortunately there is no, none, not any adult supervision over at Angle Lake…

It’s fuzzy math pickled in special sauce. As for pilot management types, they are just Kapos. There will always be plenty sellouts for personal gain.

I just wish they were competent sell-outs…At least something would be done properly….

turns out it was 6 pilots sent home. No instructors avail to cover the lessons and they wanted to keep OE flights happening.

paid time off in summer, win!

What are the chances of getting SFO out of training ?

California bases after today may become a thing of the past….

There were SFO slots in the last class, I wouldn’t count on the SFO base lasting long term though, the Airbus is leaving and I doubt the 737 base there lasts.
Id try for United if you want SFO

It doesn’t make sense. The CA laws were clearly written for the average land-based job, inside a building. These rules don’t make sense for working on an airplane.

AS is gonna push hard on this. If nothing gives, sounds like early on… Flush everything to SEA and PDX… maybe re-open JFK with a little nod to starting a BOI base. You have to think, cooler heads will prevail but this is California 😂

A full BOI base count me in. More growth there.

You do know the ruling applies only to flight attendants right? Possibly a thing of the past for FA’s, but I doubt they’ll close them for pilots too.

Pilot litigation is pending. Could very well end up being ruled the same.

There's no way that this is settled and over. If this ruling holds up the way we're currently interpreting it, no airline will base crews in California. That's simply not going to happen. Something will give.

Don't believe management's sky is falling rumblings. This ruling could be a major victory for labor and they know it. This is the first major crack in the railway labor act. Who knows how the unions can leverage this. Maybe the railway labor act comes crumbling down or at least gets revisited? This is huge. The court is saying that states rights overrule Congress's mandate to regulate Interstate commerce. It's ironic too that a conservative court just handed labor a huge victory.

These are revolutionary times. This court has flipped the table and there will be many unexpected consequences. Something that nobody seems to be talking about: yesterday's EPA ruling could drastically undermine the FAA. These are drastic changes to how government oversight works. The way this country has done business during the modern era has been completely flipped.

I think your a bit overzealous….easier solution for the airlines is to just close crew bases in CA.

I hope they don’t, and that there is a solution though. As it would disrupt the lives of many in the industry, and really reduce overall QOL. Not to mention flight options for the general public out of CA airports.

Go make a thread about it on airliners.net.

They will see massive attrition if they closed SFO and LAX.

I completely agree

The plan going back to the beginning of the litigation was to scale the CA bases to handle turns only…eliminate SAN and shrink Lax and SFO…Small increase in Regional flying. Lots of DHDs and layovers in CA for the other bases…

They already have

Just spitballing….

FA Union proposes some extra $$ compensation to work through/not have “break”,…. Written into contract, Contract supersedes State law…. done.