AMF!! Best of Luck! Enjoy being a miserable, disgruntled little prick to the next pilot group!! You won't be missed. If you think this new job is going to make you happy and fulfilled, I've got news for you.

Facts would show that while AS is lacking in pay, QOL, contract, the first year pay and guarantee is comparable (or greater than) the other legacy airlines. 92.59 @ 79 hrs.


The first year through about 3 is somewhat comparable. The big problem is year 4-8 where the FO slope needs to be fixed.

Sorry. Been busy and as a general rule, I couldn't care less what is going on over on this site. As a Sincere question, my sincere answer to you...at least as far as real estate is concerned, why do you need to invest in Seattle? I agree, It's too steep to get started. Loads of investors all over the country are looking at secondary or tertiary markets like Witchita, Oklahoma City, etc. The West coast is too expensive. You travel for free. There's affordable places all over the country to start a real estate portfolio...none of them are Alaska Airlines pilot bases. Oh, and BTW, just for context or maybe inspiration, there's an FO at this airline that owns over 400 properties in Wisconsin. He blows me out of the water...

What a classy reply from a regional CA

North/Central America and the islands are a big enough region for me. I've got a life to live and it's not in a uniform.

You’re referring to your clown suite. I get it!

It’s weird that you’re telling me about free time on one post, then saying I should start an out of area or out of state business on another post.

I asked you if you thought it was possible to start a real estate business in the Seattle area because I’m assuming you did that. Likely about 20 years ago when prices were a lot different than they are now. To talk down to guys you work with because they don’t have a second income, when the rules of the game has changed is eerily similar to pulling up the ladder and say not fixing reserve rules when you have made seniority gains.

You should be thanking Hot Dog. The guy had the courage and created the opportunity to leave. It’s far more than I have managed lately. His actions will make this place a better one to work. Not the guy who bought some rental properties in Maple Valley when it was a bargain.

I’m constantly doing the things you’re talking about finding any way I can to make another buck. One interesting stat I came across: If you’ve been working the last 2 years you’ve taken a 22% pay cut due to inflation and cost of living increases.

It’s easy to see why our contract is delayed two years. It’s the deal of a century for management.


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The pay and quality of life are so bad here that we've had to divert the conversation to everyone's real estate empires to feel successful.

You've proven my point 1000x times over.

It just shows how out of touch they are as well.

In addition.

It’s crazy to see the senior guys insult and demean those who have left the job. Even though the people leaving are making it better for those who stay.


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It's not weird at all unless you're not paying attention. Who told you I have anything to do with Seattle real estate? I didn't and I don't. Never have. Let's do a little thought experiment. Let's assume I bought residential rentals in Maple Valley, (wherever TF that is) 20 years ago. Do you think I earned the same numerical hourly rate from Alaska? What about that inflation/deflation equation? Understanding that, was it really a bargain? IDK. If you're going to fabricate a 22% inflationary rate, (which I don't believe) you need to balance that ledger as well. I talk down to the eminently entitled little douche bags like Hot Dog because I find him pathetic. Who told him a Fking Airline was going to grace him with the most blessed life? Grow up. Your decisions are on you. Did Hot Douche not know where he was applying? Did the contract change for the worse after Indoc? I'll thank him for leaving. That's it. I don't need to sit next to perpetually aggrieved, quivering lipped little ***** for the next 4 day. I have every expectation, that he will carry that on to his next naive employer. As far as reserve goes, every airline has it. Some sit it for weeks, some for years, and a few for over a decade. All of whom are currently working pilots at Alaska and every other airline.

I'll ask again. Why are we here? I thought the new guard/VX guys were going to start kicking ass and taking names? If the new guys are so tough, why is Gerry Mcguckin been assigned to us by the NMB? This sure looks a lot like it did 25 years ago. You guys don't seem to have any new ideas that mean jack sh*t.