Originally Posted by GoodJet

As far as this bid goes it seems very discouraging for new hires: For the near future there appears to be little to no growth. The only hiring is to cover the unprecedented attrition, which is arguably a symptom of how the pilot group is currently being treated. If senior FOs decide to upgrade the 4-5 year upgrade will be a thing of the past. Since the number of new captains will really only be 4 for the next year. If the downgraded Seattle captains get their position back. Perhaps the attrition will even surpass 169 pilots for the year and would outpace the highest estimate of forecast hiring.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Southwest most junior CA March 2011. One would think since their work rules, pay, and QOL are so good, that more people would bypass and upgrade would go junior. Not the case. March 2011 is OAK, bottom barrel junior base. Don’t even ask something more desirable like PHX or MCO.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

I think we can absolutely have SWA work rules. In fact, I have advocated for that. I want a 6:15 hour min day guarantee, but was told that was unrealistic. I want 2x for trip reassignments, premium pick ups. I don’t think any of that is unrealistic, I am bummed about the 5 hour day min🙄🤔. If I told you how much soft time I pulled from AS in 2021, you would all tell me I was lying. Trust me, I know the game, I just know it’s not sustainable. SWA gets near FAR max out of a majority of their pilot group. Sure I will hear about your friend over their that only worked 370 and got paid 1200… I know I know. There are always exceptions, but as a whole SWA pilots work 800-1000 hours a year and are very productive, that’s why historically they have been so successful.
My personal contract Mins are:

$320.00 an hour
6:15 day guarantee
8 holidays, 2X for entire holiday trip
2X premium pick up
15 days guaranteed off
$25 back side override
SCOPE
6:15 day vacation
6:15 day training
Free Healthcare * if it’s good enough for UAL, it’s good enough for me
POS commuting on all AS branded flights
Any trip on your line, can be traded with any open time trip on any day approved, as long as it does not put the pilot below 57 hours for the month.
Any day drop approved as long as drop does not take the pilot below 57 hours for the month.
Pretty simple… I won’t get it, so mark me down as a “NO” vote.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Bid just released.

And of course, nothing like they said it would be.

Putting vacancies on both the LAX 737 and SFO 737 and then processing displacements is going to result in more downgrades and displacements, instead of a bid that just reduced SFO Airbus and added SFO Boeing only.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

Well who care, SWA FO’s all get 20 days a month off and make 400k a year. Who wants to upgrade over there. I mean they aren’t having trouble filling classes, and no one is leaving there because it is so awesome. 🫢.

Originally Posted by sMFer

Close. The average days off are 18 and $280k unless they want to work more.

We do have some leaving, as you’re very familiar with at Alaska.

The worst day here is better……well, you know.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

sure… keep telling yourself that.

Originally Posted by TheDuster

You really think you can compare the AS contract to that of Southwest? Your consistently incorrect prognostications are bad enough, but that’s just comedy. Every time you “leave” I hope it’s permanent… But you always come back.