Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Alaska
Alaska General Discussion >

Alaska General Discussion

Search

Notices

Alaska General Discussion

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-27-2023 | 07:40 PM
  #1171  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 1,813
Likes: 139
Default

One of my worst training experiences during my entire career as a professional pilot since 2004 was in 2021. When the instructor and captain locked horns on the 737 vs. 320. God what an awful experience. Complete lack of professionalism on the captain and instructor. I wanted to say it then and I'll say it now. The 737 is a steaming pile of **** but we will never, ever see the Airbus here again at Alaska so just **** and move on.
Reply
Old 10-27-2023 | 08:30 PM
  #1172  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 791
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by FreqFlyer
Annnnnnnnd…..

Now we have gone and turned this thread into a d1ck measuring contest debate about Boeing Vs. Airbus…

Fun times.
Not really…..
Boeing 737 is built cheap, and it shows. Boeing 737 is cheap and it shows…Alaska Airlines is built cheap and it shows. Alaska Airlines is cheap and it shows. Perfect fit.
There is no one arguing that the 737max is as good as a 321neo/lr/xlr. They would be mistaken. And anyone arguing that the 321neo/lr/xlr is good fit for Alaska Airlines is equally mistaken.
We are not the kind of airline nor do we haul the kind of passengers that would appreciate and benefit from the superior capability and cabin comfort that is available with a 321.
Reply
Old 10-27-2023 | 10:07 PM
  #1173  
rickair7777's Avatar
Prime Minister/Moderator
Veteran: Navy
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 44,618
Likes: 558
From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Call me a witch, I like the Boeing over the Bus in some ways. Crosswinds would be one of them.
Yeah bus is funky with cross winds. It would get it done, but not really pretty.

Bus turns bad pilots into mediocre pilots. Also turns great pilots into mediocre pilots. Socialist influence I suppose.
Reply
Old 10-28-2023 | 12:12 AM
  #1174  
Line Holder
25M+ Airline Miles
20 Countries Visited
 
Joined: Jul 2023
Posts: 851
Likes: 176
Default

Originally Posted by All Bizniz
​​​​​​I'd say it depends on the aspects of comparison.

Yes, the A220 is a much newer plane, so I imagine it has the most modern whizz bang, avionics system on board. A video gamers dream.

But when it comes to range, the A321XLR, at almost 5,000 mile (touted as the credible replacement to the venerable B757), gets the edge over the A220.

In my opinion...
And the A350 has an 8,000+ mile range. A220 is still a better airplane for pilots and passengers than the 321.
Reply
Old 10-28-2023 | 03:40 AM
  #1175  
CurseURedBaron's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
Default

None of this really matters since the E175 is superior to all of them. 🙃
Reply
Old 10-28-2023 | 05:10 AM
  #1176  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 43
Likes: 0
Default

CASM the only metric that really matters.
Reply
Old 10-28-2023 | 07:36 AM
  #1177  
Banned
 
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 825
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Broey
CASM the only metric that really matters.
Not true. Delta still churning out a healthy profit with "expensive" aircraft.

There is more than one way to make a profit in air travel. Seeking premium customers is one of them.
Reply
Old 10-28-2023 | 07:38 AM
  #1178  
Banned
 
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 825
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by rickair7777
Bus turns bad pilots into mediocre pilots. Also turns great pilots into mediocre pilots. Socialist influence I suppose.
This is plainly untrue. You just needed to understand Fifi and you can grease it consistently. Even in a crosswind.
Reply
Old 10-28-2023 | 08:09 AM
  #1179  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,596
Likes: 112
Default

Originally Posted by All Bizniz
​​​​​​I'd say it depends on the aspects of comparison.

Yes, the A220 is a much newer plane, so I imagine it has the most modern whizz bang, avionics system on board. A video gamers dream.

But when it comes to range, the A321XLR, at almost 5,000 mile (touted as the credible replacement to the venerable B757), gets the edge over the A220.

In my opinion...
almost 5000? 4700 is not almost 5000. 4700 is also not going to be the range after they fix their flawed design.

https://simpleflying.com/airbus-a321...ge%20advantage.
Reply
Old 10-28-2023 | 08:48 AM
  #1180  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 700
Likes: 0
Default

It's easy to figure out what makes a great pilot, but just what exactly defines a bad pilot anyways? Isn't that more subjective than objective, influenced by our individual or collective biases?

Getting along with the other guy in the flight deck is a big deal, but that aside, I'd much rather fly with a pilot with great Aeronautical Decision Making (ADM) skills, and a commitment to safety and professionalism whose landing are not that great, than the guy who greases it on 9 times out of 10, but lacks those qualities. Another guy/gal might see it the other way.

A great pilot becomes mediocre through complacency irrespective of the equipment he flies. A report came out a few years ago that concluded that as a group, our flying skills have degraded because of the fact that these days we are more like system and event managers, than aviators.

To enhance safety, Airbus was deliberately designed to reduce the workload of the pilot not just during normal ops, but more importantly during emergency and abnormalities.
However, turn off all that automation on a day with gusty cross winds and you will be relying on all your skills and proficiency to land that airplane safely.

I did it every now and then, and while initially very humbling, I derived some satisfaction from noticing that my stick and rudder skills improved with each effort.

Of course, it doesn't take long to fall back into the routine of, "Ah what the hell..... I'll just let FiFi do it!" Hahaha
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
gooddeal
Major
1246
07-06-2014 05:54 PM
Splanky
Regional
47
01-28-2011 07:59 AM
Kilgore Trout
Part 135
46
06-19-2009 03:35 AM
Ak Pilot
Major
7
07-10-2008 09:30 AM
WatchThis!
Major
0
07-10-2005 03:55 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices