You’re being ridiculous.

 

Jesus christ dude, what are you talking about!? Where did I say anything about AS being better than HAL or that we are better than you? Holy crap man, chill out. You are delusional, to put it bluntly. How can HAL be more of a career when it was losing a million dollars a freaking day? You're AS now, I had to get used to it coming from VX, and you will too. I am happy you are all here with us, and I think a rising tide raises all ships. But to think HAL was in the same breath as UAL and DAL is freaking hilarious.

 

I wasn’t the one who said that. I’m chiding you for promoting infighting between the groups. The crux of our bargaining position is that we are now peers with delta and united. If you could stop punching down on us and pretend to believe that then that would be swell.

 

i don’t love the freighter flying but the pros of growing it far outweighs the cons of getting rid of it. Also something that none of us have any say over.

 

The hyperbole of Hawaiian’s financial position needs to stop as well. What’s your point in saying that? Hawaiian had been profitable for many years and only wasn’t recently because of the Japanese economy. It’s not the a pilot’s job to make money. It’s our job to operate safely. There have been plenty of airlines that have had extended stretches of loses and later emerged profitable. Hawaiian was not on the brink of going under.


Hawaiian was a career destination for people who want to live in Honolulu. Alaska maybe is a career destination for people who wanted to live in the PNW or the west coast? There are arguably better airlines to work at that have domiciles in all of your bases.

 

It's a shame that we're forced to argue about which fleet will be cut first, who deserves more rights in this game of musical chairs.

Meanwhile United is receiving more 787s than we have ordered.. This year.

 

What a clown show play nice boys.

 

So AS is comparable to SY or ALG while Hawaiian touches only the finest velve sheets of aviation Gods themselves? Hawaiian and Alaska are comparable when it comes to career destinations due to locality. You have one unique base, AS has 3/6 unique bases for a major passenger airline. Irrelevant to the argument.

Bottom line is since the pandemic, HNL just isn’t working. Asia travel has been trashed. The current admin is only making foreigners hate America and avoid vacationing here. The dollar-yen relationship has changed over time. And 4 fleet types across 1100 pilots plus a huge WB gamble for mainland U.S. flying has failed, considering the big 4 have moved away from larger WB and 757 airplanes to 320/737 family for flights to Hawaii.

Post pandemic, AS was just fine and would have made it long term - the same is not true for Hawaiian. Something had to give. This was probably the best outcome.


There’s a reason HNL 787 is closing and they are all going to be in SEA. And I love the 321Neo as much as the next guy, but the 321/717 are done for. They’ve literally said it as much.

And as has been mentioned other than the 3 lease purchase 330s, there are no further expected orders for the Airbus. The real question you should be asking is once this airline is just 787 and 737, will they re-open 787 HNL? I think that’s a scary thought. But the handful of intentional destinations out of HNL can easily be crewed by SEA 787 crews on 7-10 day trips with layovers in HNL.

This merger has always been about a certain somebody wanting to cement a legacy as the one who brought widebodies to SEA and made AS go international to Asia and Europe. Hawaiian was chosen for that purpose. Everything else is just fluff. Take it as a former Virgin guy, it’s nothing personal - just business. All the HNL folks have my sympathy. Changes are coming, and not the good kind.

 

Cool story bro. Would you like to tell it again?

 

Guys we are all on the same team

being professionals who show up do their jo, do it well, and show the suits and Shane why we deserve the best JCBA

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