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GoodJet 10-22-2023 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3713549)
That’d be a negative ghost rider

Dude that will save you like, a minute and 30 seconds. Per engine!

Also: Not shocked I found this on the SWA forum

Smooth at FL450 10-22-2023 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3713566)
Dude that will save you like, a minute and 30 seconds. Per engine!

Also: Not shocked I found this on the SWA forum

dude, then you read nobody there condones it. But at least now you’ll recognize the deviation quicker.

e6bpilot 10-22-2023 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3713568)
dude, then you read nobody there condones it. But at least now you’ll recognize the deviation quicker.

Yeah, I work at SWA and am a line dog and had never heard of this even happening until I came on here. It got shut down quickly and isn't a thing. There's always somebody who slips through the interview process.
Redeyes will be at SWA. It's only a matter of time. Planning says 1-2 percent of flying. I am guessing mostly from Hawaii going east and maybe some transcons. The idea, according to network ops, is to get a second morning push available without doing what we do now, which is the punishing 4am reports to fly a short flight (ROC-BWI for example) to a base with 30 people on board. Customers, crews, and planners hate those flights. They would rather have a few more aircraft available so that a 7am flight is tenable and can make a connection. I would rather do a redeye as the last leg of a trip and sleep it off than some of the east coast flying we do on 3 consecutive days.

GoodJet 10-22-2023 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3713568)
dude, then you read nobody there condones it. But at least now you’ll recognize the deviation quicker.

No one condones it on a public forum yes. However, the only group pilot that has managed to propagate a technique, which is bypassing a safety function on a multi million dollar engine to the point line check airmen we’re involved is where you happen to work.

The clown part is where it doesn’t even save more than a couple minutes.

Smooth at FL450 10-22-2023 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3713601)
No one condones it on a public forum yes. However, the only group pilot that has managed to propagate a technique, which is bypassing a safety function on a multi million dollar engine to the point line check airmen we’re involved is where you happen to work.

The clown part is where it doesn’t even save more than a couple minutes.

go fly a trip with your check airman and find out what dumb techniques your coworkers have discovered. Nobody is immune. And then don’t be afraid to talk about it…

rickair7777 10-22-2023 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3713541)
But the real question is. Did you teach them how to bypass the bowed motoring function on the MAX?

What thread was that in?

CaddyWhompus 10-22-2023 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3713464)
I live in the junior base for both carriers (SWA/OAK and AS/SFO.) My #1 priority, by far, is scheduling flexibility. Upgrade time is also somewhat important, as I only have 15 yrs left in the game. Time to hold a line is also important, because reserve is a special kind of torture at my current shop.

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- 308 total have been hired here YTD, 284 of those still remain as of today
- There have been 10 classes at AS since 6/1 this year (out of 23 classes YTD)
- Those 10 classes are made up of 125 CURRENTLY still here (this # doesn't account for people from those classes leaving since), with the following breakdown:
* 0 ANC (0%)
* 0 PDX (0%)
* 21 SEA (17%)
* 34 LAX (27%)
* 70 SFO (56%)

For the NOV bid period:
- 85 lines total for SFO
- 66 of those lines had 0 redeye flights (0200-0500L)
- The most junior lineholder for NOV was hired June 2023. This pilot is 99% in base currently.
- The most junior lineholder with no redeye flights was hired April 2023. This pilot is 94% in base currently.
- 5 lines went un-awarded

At the time of primary bidding for NOV, there were 89 FO's, but since then 8 have been released from training. 5 to secondary lines, 3 to reserve. These numbers are likely to change in the coming months as more FO's get released from training. The jury is still out on how well this base/seat will be staffed in the short term.

Lileskimo 10-22-2023 03:24 PM

SW and it’s not even close

FreqFlyer 10-22-2023 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Lileskimo (Post 3713829)
SW and it’s not even close

Lol ok. Go read through their sub forum, moral is in the toilet. I wish the best for them, but not somewhere i’d want to hang my hat at the moment.

Jetlikespeed 10-22-2023 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Lileskimo (Post 3713829)
SW and it’s not even close

maybe if it was last year but I think AS for a surprise is on top on this one
until a new contract is signed (and we see what WN gets) for now I think AS > WN


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