Originally Posted by CaddyWhompus (Post 3713815)

- 308 total have been hired here YTD, 284 of those still remain as of today
- There have been 10 classes at AS since 6/1 this year (out of 23 classes YTD)
- Those 10 classes are made up of 125 CURRENTLY still here (this # doesn't account for people from those classes leaving since), with the following breakdown:
* 0 ANC (0%)
* 0 PDX (0%)
* 21 SEA (17%)
* 34 LAX (27%)
* 70 SFO (56%)

For the NOV bid period:
- 85 lines total for SFO
- 66 of those lines had 0 redeye flights (0200-0500L)
- The most junior lineholder for NOV was hired June 2023. This pilot is 99% in base currently.
- The most junior lineholder with no redeye flights was hired April 2023. This pilot is 94% in base currently.
- 5 lines went un-awarded

At the time of primary bidding for NOV, there were 89 FO's, but since then 8 have been released from training. 5 to secondary lines, 3 to reserve. These numbers are likely to change in the coming months as more FO's get released from training. The jury is still out on how well this base/seat will be staffed in the short term.

Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 3713467)

sfo has about 83 lines as of NOV and is growing to 125

ypull without a doubt get it right off the bat it’s the junior base for the foreseeable future

yes sfo has a lot of redeyes (well by a lot I mean in the winter it’s 4 daily JFK x2 EWR and MCO so no more than UA or any other big boy airline) summer is my like 7 a night they are not so bad you get use to them
reserve time is anyone’s guess 3-4 months as the churn will be at the bottom of sfo as everyone bids out

I really like it here SFO crews are great and super chill. It’s mostly virgin people so it’s a really good laid back vibe they’ll talk about the virgins days and how bad it is here but I digress
SFO for October was well staffed so with the new contract flexibility is good

flexibility is month to month cause the way the rules are written It’s all depended on staffing I’ve have good luck the past few months

as a junior person the lines you’ll get are 15-16 days off around 80-85 credits

mostly trans cons out of sfo but with more lines the flying is changing to 2 legs a day if are not going out east

I like it here having crew meals although repetitive is nice as a option and the flying is easy doing only 1-2

sfo now has a few 3 days that are 20 credits but they last day is brutal 4 legs up and down the coast but it’s a really high credit 3 day

sfo will stay about 125ines Is my guess till they see what the economy is doing next year so guys in sfo next year will get stuck in sfo is my guess as things may slow down so not bad spot for you

I didn’t proof read this so Godspeed to whoever reads it

Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3713607)

go fly a trip with your check airman and find out what dumb techniques your coworkers have discovered. Nobody is immune. And then don’t be afraid to talk about it…

Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 3713881)

maybe if it was last year but I think AS for a surprise is on top on this one
until a new contract is signed (and we see what WN gets) for now I think AS > WN

Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3713961)

If you suffer from short-sightedness, then maybe…with a career measured in decades I would look at long-term history. It would be obscenely foolish to think that this contract at WN will not get ironed out in the near term.

Originally Posted by FreqFlyer (Post 3713965)

It’s not just about that…it’s about WN’s newfound toxic management. Do you really want to strap into that seat for your entire career now? It’s not your ma & pa’s same ol’ WN anymore…

Meanwhile AS management seems & has proven that they are taking a different direction, which is much more favorable towards the pilot group than WN is.

I know which one of the two i’d choose currently….

Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3714018)

If AS management holds this new line through the next industry downturn, I’ll be the first to eat crow. But that’s not going to happen, I promise. I’ve been around the block a few times here and learned the hard way that a tiger can’t change its stripes. You’ll learn too.

Originally Posted by greaser (Post 3713971)

I know this isn’t one of the options you asked about, but at the other big airline in SFO, the widebody flying is so desirable that the narrow body seniority movement is fast. UAL is on the cusp of hiring street Captains - if that’s something important to you.

And reserve in base is a pretty decent life.

On the other hand, come next year you might get forced into the left seat in Newark!

But that plug aside, turbo I would look at other areas of the contract for the 2 birds you have in hand. If you’re 50, what does it take to retire at either if you want to punch before 65? How does the LTD compare? What’s a typical day or months work (not from APC randos but surely you must have contacts at either place who can personally share) to see what better suits you.