ur stressing over 200 pilots out of 4500+ pilots?

I get the stress believe me, on our side the thought of being displaced TO the mainland seems like a death sentence. But I think it’s important to see the bigger picture otherwise the sky will always be falling you know what I mean?

When we get bids of 20 upgrades a few times a year at best? This ain't United son...

Uh yeah? And it’s not 200 it’s over 300.

Other than SEA our bases are small with little to no movement, and post merger the flying continues to get worse.

Even a few spots down the list will have a significant effect on quality of life. It’s not going to take much at all.

Over 300 throughout the continental US. Hawaiian already has 200 pilot positions based on the mainland between CVG and SEA. More to come as the 787 moves over. There is a greater risk that we have to force displace HNL based pilots to SEA than there is that a legacy Hawaiian pilot takes a captain spot on the 737 from you. As 787s move into SEA after SLI when the fences drop(probably soon on the FO side given how many positions there will be on that fleet and how few people seem interested at the moment) junior 737 captains will have the opportunity to bid senior 787 FO, more than negating the potential moves of Hawaiian pilots taking 737 positions.

Life changes when you have widebodies at your airline. Captain upgrades go more junior, and mid seniority people get better opportunities to make more money while having easier work lives by moving to widebody FO. Things will probably be better for Alaska pilots in 2-4 years than they would have been without the purchase of Hawaiian.

All that having been said, make sure the gains in the JCBA offset a potential downside from an SLI. Vote accordingly.

I don't think it's going to be as bad as some folks think, but I also suspect some will do it. If you're *very* senior and live near a base, even the 737 is pretty easy money.

I think the HA people are pretty sincere when they say they won't want to give up the WB, but I think that's based on what they're used to now... that might change if (when) AS really digs into the WB schedules. Some long-haul flying just is what it is, and can't change, but flying between the islands and the mainland could look different.

My big concern is AZ.

At AS? In my base a dozen pilots coming in would crush me. I still don't hear the end of it from the guys who lived that in the last merger.

how is AS hiring so many pilots this next year if it’s so tight over there? Asking genuinely I don’t know

It’s not, we just have some drama queens on here.

Anywhere other than SEA it is tight. They’ve hired 20 this year and that’s to fill vacancy’s in SFO, that’s nothing. There is no confirmed number of hiring for next year. When did they ever say they’re going to hire a ton of pilots and what is that number? Also a genuine question.

Plus historically, whatever number they say they’re planning on hiring, they do less than half that number.

This bid creates 20 more spots in addition to the 20 that already started. We’ve been told multiple times to expect a large bid next quarter.