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Old 12-02-2023, 01:51 PM
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This equation applies to JB before it applies to us. They would average up to $356 in August. So if SW does sign at $364 for '24, our average in September will look more like: (JB 356)+(DL 360)+(UL 360)+(AA 360)+(SW 364)= 1800/5= $360.
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Old 12-02-2023, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
This equation applies to JB before it applies to us. They would average up to $356 in August. So if SW does sign at $364 for '24, our average in September will look more like: (JB 356)+(DL 360)+(UL 360)+(AA 360)+(SW 364)= 1800/5= $360.
ooooooh I like that
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The complainers will still find something to complain about. Clearing 500k+ and the complaining won't end.
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Old 12-03-2023, 09:19 AM
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I’m getting a lot of conflicting info from APC.

When reading through your TA don’t immediately look at pay rates, that’s not a good indicator for how good a CBA is. Read through the entire contract to make an informed decision.

Also, Make sure you get a snap up clause that’s tied only to pay rates. Hard No Without it. Can’t be an average snap up either, gotta be plus 1, unless you’re okay dragging the entire industry down.
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Old 12-20-2023, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect View Post
I’m getting a lot of conflicting info from APC.

When reading through your TA don’t immediately look at pay rates, that’s not a good indicator for how good a CBA is. Read through the entire contract to make an informed decision.

Also, Make sure you get a snap up clause that’s tied only to pay rates. Hard No Without it. Can’t be an average snap up either, gotta be plus 1, unless you’re okay dragging the entire industry down.
looks like Average is going to do quite well for us with the new SWA rates. Especially for FOs.
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Old 12-20-2023, 01:14 PM
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looks like Average is going to do quite well for us with the new SWA rates. Especially for FOs.
The average rate adjustment is based on TOS CA rates and will look like the above calculation. TOS CA will increase to $360/hr on 9/1/24 (if SW votes this in). F.O. rates are adjusted from there per OUR CBA, not per SW's FO-CA percentage. Our F.O. rates won't be getting extra percentage points.
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Old 12-20-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
The average rate adjustment is based on TOS CA rates and will look like the above calculation. TOS CA will increase to $360/hr on 9/1/24 (if SW votes this in). F.O. rates are adjusted from there per OUR CBA, not per SW's FO-CA percentage. Our F.O. rates won't be getting extra percentage points.
ah, no one likes FOs anyway. But this could put us between SWA and Everyone else. Delta +1 would not do that, it would just make us equal and below average. This is when average works out.
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Old 12-20-2023, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer View Post
ah, no one likes FOs anyway. But this could put us between SWA and Everyone else. Delta +1 would not do that, it would just make us equal and below average. This is when average works out.
Averaging puts us at 360 on September 1. $1 behind the big 3 and 9 months later. We will spend the bulk of 2024 $20 behind.

We're close, but let's not kid ourselves.
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Old 12-20-2023, 01:58 PM
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What is the multiplier we use when taking there TFP rates into our average. Is it 1.2x?
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Old 12-20-2023, 02:01 PM
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What is the multiplier we use when taking there TFP rates into our average. Is it 1.2x?
1.149

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