Its no use explaining.

 

Exactly, cause nobody new gives a sh&t about any senior driver who had to weather any 33% pay cuts, furloughs, displacements and taking years to make over 100 bucks an hour.

Had a fairly new FO ask why so many of us were so jaded and butt hurt about Kasher. She had no idea we threw guys out on the street for a few years and that their years of furlough didn't count as years of service when the VX (who I hated at first but grew to like the changes they help transpire) crews were integrated in the seniority list. How after the company got the windfall still wanted to take more. 10 years to upgrade and Union officers going to management bla bla bla.

I really hope the grass that we are all feeding on gets greener not only for everybody's sake but also mine. As a B plan participant I don't regret my choice. Funny how 24 years ago some of my outspoken fellow new guys just hated the senior folks...........now those senior pilots are in the I got mine crowd. I've only got 10 years to go and the more hate I hear from the junior folks kinda sways me to go all in for the "I got mine crowd." I admit it I voted yes on one of those contracts and really regretted it later.

Maybe I misinterpreted your post but I am old and cranky and have sh*tty grammar to boot. But I just had to vent.
Ill be gone in a decade but hope y'all junior guys get minimal stagnation in the creep up the line. Nothing like getting done with IOE then the next day was 9/11. I just try to respect whoever is above and below me.

Anyways gotta love PBS! Lots of open time in ANC to switch and move stuff! Kidding! I actually like PBS.

 

In my observation, the most senior (most old) guys are all rock solid pilots. Not discounting that the environment they grew up in had something to do with it, but more likely pilot jobs were just so hard to come by that only the cream of the crop got a number at a legacy in 80's/mid 90's.

My generation had the benefit of lots of character building opportunities along the way, but jobs were more available, at least at certain points. Subsequent generations had even more access to jobs. Timing.

 

At this point in a pilots career, hand flying to mins or muscle memory related flying tasks while important aren't really where the majority of variance on a "rock solid pilot" lies. Everyone does really well overall. As a junior captain I am amazed at the skill of younger pilots. I often feel like the deficient pilot in this regard. I believe that the real important part of the job lies in setting the tone and CRM related duties. Pilots are all over the place generationally. One of my favorite captains who retired a year ago or so was so knowlegable and kind to everyone. So blanket statements about certain generations are pointless. Sadly, the need for pro standards and DEI seems legitimate based on my experience as an FO and comments from FOs I fly with. To start: Not discussing politics at work would benefit many pilot's CRM game.

 

Agree. Even if it's politics which are tolerable to me I'm often just not in the mood.

If it's your long time buddy and you both know where you stand, that's one thing. But somebody you just met, or barely know? That makes a two-day seem like a five-day lol.

 

Well, for the 3 minutes after T/O and 1 minute before landing we can debate... however, someone flying airlines 30 yrs has seen just about every scenario and has a better handle on what to expect way down the road vs. a 2nd year guy who spent 1 year at Skywest and was instructing in 2021? I'll put my money on my opinion.

 

Generally yes, but you also have to be open to new ideas over time. Fortunately most of the old guys I fly with have embraced CRM concepts, or many of them were just naturally collaborative. Can't be stuck in 1985.

 

I am open to new ideas. I've just never had a new / young F/O show me one. Most of the time I am sitting next to someone who turns the AP on at 1,000 ft and off at 500 ft. Maybe once a year or so I have a young Jedi say, "How did you do that? Show me! Let's talk about this!" That makes me smile knowing that there are still some future aviators coming up the ranks. I have fully embraced CRM, and 1985 was a very good year (trust me, it was awesome, you should have seen it!).

 

Wasn't suggesting that you should be learning from new FO's. Just that you need to keep up with the times, and the guys I fly with seem to do that.

Yes 1985 was a good year, you reminded me of the redhead.

 

what? Outfly me any day? What does that mean exactly? Do we have an LSO grading our landings? Is that just in Seattle or every station? Is there a 737 aerobatics competition I have missed?

2 year upgrades? I have gone on record multiple times tell others that any airline upgrading in less than 2 years has serious problems. A healthy upgrade timeline is 5-8 years. So no, I don’t want 2 year upgrades. Hotels for commuters is between them and the company.

seems you forgot how this whole thing started. Pilots wanting to furlough fellow pilots so they could make more money. Trying to restrict junior pilots from making extra money so they can make more. Don’t care how well they fly. This is just shameful.

oh, forgot to add, Berkely protesters were Boomers.