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PineappleXpres 03-23-2026 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 4015727)
because it is stupid as hell. I touched grass, dirt and rocks today. Lot of landscaping work to do. Spitballing what the company might do is still stupid. It’s science.

Because as Alaska pilots like to talk about Amazon, this matters to HAL pilots. It affects us. HNL 787 displacements will affect HAL pilots, not Alaska pilots too. Its also just something to do, to a degree.

PineappleXpres 03-23-2026 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4015612)
I got some bad news with AS Im have now looks at sfo pre and post virgin

Then how did SFO become the most junior upgrade?

MinRest 03-23-2026 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by PineappleXpres (Post 4015818)
Then how did SFO become the most junior upgrade?

Because it was the highest commuter base. Although this will ebb and flow over the years.

MinRest 03-23-2026 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 4015781)
You missed my point entirely, and the long storied history of interisland flying since the dawn of the jet age.

It would be a colossal failure to use a NEO or MAX to fully replace 717 flying, and you can’t keep the frequency required using the SWA model.

Go listen to your CEO’s one requirement for the 717 replacement aircraft at the JP Morgan event last week.

Yes, I agree it will VERY likely be a 737 variant that replaces the 717 but I will be shocked if it’s a MAX anything. My money is also on low cycle Ng 700’s or 800’s.

So you think AS is just gonna upgage to an 800 and keep the frequency the same?

rickair7777 03-23-2026 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4015846)
So you think AS is just gonna upgage to an 800 and keep the frequency the same?

I would guess slightly less frequency, unless the flights are full. Or the fares support higher freq with lower loads, and customers *really* want the frequency.

conquestdz 03-23-2026 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 4015781)
You missed my point entirely, and the long storied history of interisland flying since the dawn of the jet age.

It would be a colossal failure to use a NEO or MAX to fully replace 717 flying, and you can’t keep the frequency required using the SWA model.

Go listen to your CEO’s one requirement for the 717 replacement aircraft at the JP Morgan event last week.

Yes, I agree it will VERY likely be a 737 variant that replaces the 717 but I will shocked if it’s a MAX anything. My money is also on low cycle Ng 700’s or 800’s.

Last week's management pep talk at recurrent said exactly that. Existing 800NG will replace the 717 and 700 flying as they are retired.

Jetlikespeed 03-23-2026 08:42 AM

I think it’s been said before anyone that thinks 737 won’t do interisland I have some bad news

ben Did say the NEOs get a better RASM than the 737 so as long as they need the ASM I think NEOs still around till they can swap ASM without reducing them or a down turn

rickair7777 03-23-2026 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by conquestdz (Post 4015887)
Last week's management pep talk at recurrent said exactly that. Existing 800NG will replace the 717 and 700 flying as they are retired.

Could be an interim measure.

But the 800s are not spring chickens, and have done hard duty in the SE. Not sure how long they can keep them going economically.

MinRest 03-23-2026 10:46 AM

It's replacing a 15 year old iPhone with a 10 year old iPhone.

There us bo way frequency stays the same on those routes with 737s but luckily they only need what, 20 airframes? Find the 20 lowest time/cycle 800s and put them on until they time out, then what?

Akamai 03-23-2026 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4015983)
It's replacing a 15 year old iPhone with a 10 year old iPhone.

There us bo way frequency stays the same on those routes with 737s but luckily they only need what, 20 airframes? Find the 20 lowest time/cycle 800s and put them on until they time out, then what?

This is the question HAL has been battling for a decade. There is no current production aircraft that can handle interisland. If they can use Ng’s for another decade then they can be replaced with the sea gliders we got coming.


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