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MinRest 03-24-2026 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 4016392)
Short answer yes, is there planes that could hold more? Sure but nothing can come close to doing quick turns day in day out like a 717 and hold the cargo it can.

No reason a 737 can't...

VirginEskimo 03-24-2026 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 4016193)
Aloha stopped flying Ng’s interisland, and ended up only using them on mainland routes because of engine issues.

I don’t believe AQ ever flew NGs interisland regularly. NGs were operated on ETOPS flights starting in 2000. I checked so online anlurces and no mention of NG interisland flying.

Having said that, you could set up the -200 steam gauges for the next leg while taxiing in to the gate and those JT8Ds started up in about 10 seconds. I imagine the DC9 was the same way on the HAL side.


MinRest 03-24-2026 02:36 PM

Did those engines not have the 3 minute start up and cool down limitation that most other engines have?

2StgTurbine 03-24-2026 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4016422)
Did those engines not have the 3 minute start up and cool down limitation that most other engines have?

This isn't 1982 where 20 minute turns are done. Who cares if you can prep a plane during the taxi in for the next leg or if an engine takes 2 or 3 minutes to start. It takes 30 minutes to board a plane today and safety demos take longer than the engine starts. I find it hard to believe that a 737NG can't replace the 717.

MinRest 03-24-2026 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 4016434)
This isn't 1982 where 20 minute turns are done. Who cares if you can prep a plane during the taxi in for the next leg or if an engine takes 2 or 3 minutes to start. It takes 30 minutes to board a plane today and safety demos take longer than the engine starts. I find it hard to believe that a 737NG can't replace the 717.

I don't disagree. I am simply asking the question.

vaksedtothemax 03-24-2026 04:27 PM

Same seat capacity, less frequency… 717 quick turns won’t be as necessary to maintain a daily schedule.

ShyGuy 03-24-2026 05:59 PM

How much money does inter-island make? With the amount of frequency and lots of open seats, I can’t imagine it does that well.


2StgTurbine 03-24-2026 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4016455)
Same seat capacity, less frequency… 717 quick turns won’t be as necessary to maintain a daily schedule.

I have flown both planes. There is no difference in turn times between a 717 and a 737. I am curious what the utilization factor is for the 717s. I am pretty sure Delta 737s out of ATL can match it. Plenty of short hops there too.

Hawaii808 03-24-2026 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 4016496)
I have flown both planes. There is no difference in turn times between a 717 and a 737. I am curious what the utilization factor is for the 717s. I am pretty sure Delta 737s out of ATL can match it. Plenty of short hops there too.

717s turn in about 25-35 minutes. 737s I flew interisland did the same turn times, but it was all cargo. Interisland could trim a few flights, but frequency is very important for the islands. It’s like our bus system over water.

I think eventually the 717s and 321s will be replaced by 737s. 717s will be the first to be replaced. Probably gonna be the same category for bidding with a mix of interisland only pairings and west coast only pairings. Throw in some pairings that have tag legs to HNL once you arrive at an outerisland. We’ve already started having a few of those on the schedule lately. Relatively large amount of 737s based in HNL all painted in Hawaiian livery to make us feel better.

Moonwolf 03-24-2026 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4016493)
How much money does inter-island make? With the amount of frequency and lots of open seats, I can’t imagine it does that well.

man I hate this merger.



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