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MinRest 03-24-2026 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 4016193)
This! Even if you used the correct turboprop, they don’t have the cargo capacity, and there isn’t the gate space for the increased number of aircraft required to replace the 717’s.

Aloha stopped flying Ng’s interisland, and ended up only using them on mainland routes because of engine issues.

At least it sounds like Minnicucci understands the engine issue.

What engine issues did the NG have with Aloha? The CFM is what is on basically every NG, 700, 800, 900 non MAX uses so whatever engine issue they faced, we will face.

The cargo issue is real deal. What would be a good airplane practically sounds like a terrible airplane for the specific mission. The 737 has gotta be the one it sounds like.

Jetlikespeed 03-24-2026 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4016219)
What engine issues did the NG have with Aloha? The CFM is what is on basically every NG, 700, 800, 900 non MAX uses so whatever engine issue they faced, we will face.

The cargo issue is real deal. What would be a good airplane practically sounds like a terrible airplane for the specific mission. The 737 has gotta be the one it sounds like.

and a lot of CEOs virgins airbuses has the CFM 56 Airbus version as well

WYSIWYG 03-24-2026 06:39 AM

Maybe delta wants to sell some low cycle 717s…. And no beards

rickair7777 03-24-2026 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4016237)
and a lot of CEOs virgins airbuses has the CFM 56 Airbus version as well

I thought all the VX CEO's had CFM56? NEO's obviously had LEAP.

CFM56 has been *the* mainstay engine of the industry for decades, backbone of the 737 and 320 fleets, and a few others. Doesn't seem to have any particular issue with short cycles, it's been used in a wide variety of applications.

Only got superseded because of efficiency needs, only so much more they could do with the core design.

Jetlikespeed 03-24-2026 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4016262)
I thought all the VX CEO's had CFM56? NEO's obviously had LEAP.

CFM56 has been *the* mainstay engine of the industry for decades, backbone of the 737 and 320 fleets, and a few others. Doesn't seem to have any particular issue with short cycles, it's been used in a wide variety of applications.

Only got superseded because of efficiency needs, only so much more they could do with the core design.

I meant all of
CFM 56 is known industry wide as pretty bulletproof engine. GE and Safran best engine by a country mile

MinRest 03-24-2026 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4016237)
and a lot of CEOs virgins airbuses has the CFM 56 Airbus version as well

All the VX non NEOs were CFM, no Pratts

vaksedtothemax 03-24-2026 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 4015465)
Tell us you know nothing about interisland flying, without telling us you know nothing about interisland flying.



Take what SWA does, correct for what they did wrong… mostly pilots and maintenance in the islands. Sprinkle a couple 737’s out here to cover West Coast cancellation disruptions. I doubt AS positions 18 737’s here full time = base shrinkage.

I can see HNL based 737 inter island and having to do West Coast routes as well. I don’t see AS letting a pilot do 4 20 minute legs a day interisland and calling it a day.

Unlike at HA, Interisland won’t be 25% of AS’s revenue. ( or whatever it ended up being). The decisions on how to optimize seats and frequency are not nearly as critical to AS with its much larger pool of revenue to pull from.

With tourism still compared to 2019 because science, with the downturn of Maui visitors, with the YEN in Japan and the dollar in Canada, short term I don’t see what they would need to increase seats for?





rickair7777 03-24-2026 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4016350)
Take what SWA does, correct for what they did wrong… mostly pilots and maintenance in the islands. Sprinkle a couple 737’s out here to cover West Coast cancellation disruptions. I doubt AS positions 18 737’s here full time = base shrinkage.

I can see HNL based 737 inter island and having to do West Coast routes as well. I don’t see AS letting a pilot do 4 20 minute legs a day interisland and calling it a day.

I think they have some flexibility to accommodate those who want to be based on the islands... they can put local pilots on enough ETOPS to get the block hours to justify the desired base size. Maybe even also fly other mainland routes after crossing the pond.

I think they'd be willing to make some effort to keep folks happy-ish. It's way too early to massively downsize HNL and ship everyone to SEA.

But yeah, might be hard to never leave the islands all month if that's your jam.

Cruz5350 03-24-2026 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4016154)
Does the 717 hold a lot of cargo? I honestly don't know.

Short answer yes, is there planes that could hold more? Sure but nothing can come close to doing quick turns day in day out like a 717 and hold the cargo it can.

Rama 03-24-2026 12:30 PM

Can do around 6k worth of cargo with full pax and typical fuel load.
You will see close to that when carrying heavy produce or a lot of military/construction peeps.


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