Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Alaska (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alaska/)
-   -   First to phase out (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alaska/152560-first-phase-out.html)

MinRest 03-23-2026 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 4016087)
This is the question HAL has been battling for a decade. There is no current production aircraft that can handle interisland. If they can use Ng’s for another decade then they can be replaced with the sea gliders we got coming.

MAXs can absolutely do this job if these airframes are woven into the overall network. That would take fewer airframes overall (the current 717 fleet is 17), so let's say the flying could be done with maybe 10 airframes. You can weave 10 737s through the islands and have them enter and exit where they aren't dedicated to the island, and shorten the life of these MAX engines. There are no non NEO/MAX engined aircraft being made, so this is going to be something to live with unless the company gets another aircraft type like a 175 or a Q400, and I don't see that happening. For one, Embraer is all cycle limited, so that puts more of a handicap on aircraft than a MAX engine would, and the Q, I just don't see happening.

DenainaPilot 03-23-2026 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4016122)
MAXs can absolutely do this job if these airframes are woven into the overall network. That would take fewer airframes overall (the current 717 fleet is 17), so let's say the flying could be done with maybe 10 airframes. You can weave 10 737s through the islands and have them enter and exit where they aren't dedicated to the island, and shorten the life of these MAX engines. There are no non NEO/MAX engined aircraft being made, so this is going to be something to live with unless the company gets another aircraft type like a 175 or a Q400, and I don't see that happening. For one, Embraer is all cycle limited, so that puts more of a handicap on aircraft than a MAX engine would, and the Q, I just don't see happening.

It’s too bad Embraer cancelled their turboprop project. A combination of mainline narrow bodies and turbo props could keep a good amount of frequency while not dumping too much capacity into the system.

MinRest 03-23-2026 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by DenainaPilot (Post 4016130)
It’s too bad Embraer cancelled their turboprop project. A combination of mainline narrow bodies and turbo props could keep a good amount of frequency while not dumping too much capacity into the system.

Yea, even more ironic is that the Q would be a FANTASTIC inter-island bird, and we got rid of them all lol. A 76 seat turboprop would be great for the islands.

Jetlikespeed 03-23-2026 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4016142)
Yea, even more ironic is that the Q would be a FANTASTIC inter-island bird, and we got rid of them all lol. A 76 seat turboprop would be great for the islands.

q can’t fit much cargo pit could barley fit a full boat worth of bags during non ski season, during ski season we were stuffing bags in the cabin to fit all the skis, great for quick turns and frequency but won’t be able to move any cargo, can barley fit 76 people’s worth of bags.

over head bins are too small so basically anything that’s not a small suit case or back back has to go in the pit
flew the Q for 5 years that’s why the Q base in ANC failed could not fit all the pax checked bags in Alaska and 0 cargo can be shipped on them. No belly stowage small Pit by the tail

I don’t think it would do well with interisland due to my assuming we also make money on shipping cargo between the islands

MinRest 03-23-2026 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4016148)
q can’t fit much cargo pit could barley fit a full boat worth of bags during non ski season, during ski season we were stuffing bags in the cabin to fit all the skis, great for quick turns and frequency but won’t be able to move any cargo, can barley fit 76 people’s worth of bags.

over head bins are too small so basically anything that’s not a small suit case or back back has to go in the pit
flew the Q for 5 years that’s why the Q base in ANC failed could not fit all the pax checked bags in Alaska and 0 cargo can be shipped on them. No belly stowage small Pit by the tail

I don’t think it would do well with interisland due to my assuming we also make money on shipping cargo between the islands

Does the 717 hold a lot of cargo? I honestly don't know.

rickair7777 03-23-2026 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4016154)
Does the 717 hold a lot of cargo? I honestly don't know.

More than an RJ. RJ's (and commuter props) basically just have capacity for some pax checked bags.

Start adding sandbags for CG and some RJs end up leaving checked bags behind. Or pax, if the airline prefers that (some do).

rickair7777 03-23-2026 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4016148)
I don’t think it would do well with interisland due to my assuming we also make money on shipping cargo between the islands

Apparently longboards are important too.

TTail 03-23-2026 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4016142)
Yea, even more ironic is that the Q would be a FANTASTIC inter-island bird, and we got rid of them all lol. A 76 seat turboprop would be great for the islands.

Island Air failed for a bunch of reasons, but one of them was switching to the Q (and then back to the ATR when it didn't work).

Akamai 03-23-2026 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4016169)
Apparently longboards are important too.

Surfboards and golf clubs are very important, and they don’t fit in an RJ or a turbo prop.

Akamai 03-23-2026 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by TTail (Post 4016182)
Island Air failed for a bunch of reasons, but one of them was switching to the Q (and then back to the ATR when it didn't work).

This! Even if you used the correct turboprop, they don’t have the cargo capacity, and there isn’t the gate space for the increased number of aircraft required to replace the 717’s.

Aloha stopped flying Ng’s interisland, and ended up only using them on mainland routes because of engine issues.

At least it sounds like Minnicucci understands the engine issue.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:53 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands