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Old 10-16-2017, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SEAtoSummit View Post
Long time lurker, but I'd like some input.

My top consideration is living in Seattle, and that's non-negotiable. Of course, I also would like Legacy/Major pay and QOL, so a career at a SEA-based regional is just not in the cards. Clearly the best option would be Delta to SEA. But for you guys with strong opinions on AS either way, which would you choose if you were in my shoes (if Delta doesn't pan out)?

1. Suck it up and join Alaska with eyes wide-open, accepting that pay and QOL will suffer - but being able to live in-base.

2. Go with UA or SWA knowing that I will be a career-commuter to the Bay Area. Or AA/FDX with an even farther commute?

Is QOL and management so poor at Alaska that you would accept the commuter life with another carrier?

Thanks in advance!
I wouldn't make an airline career decision based solely on a preferred base. You could go to FedEx or UPS and commute relatively hassle free and enjoy more days off in Seattle than you would at Alaska with our schedules. You could probably purchase positive space tickets to/from your base with the difference in pay. Alaska is a good place to work, but sadly we are quite behind in pay and far behind in work rules. Make sure you consider everything.
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy View Post
Otherwise, get used to being 5th highest.

5th highest?
After Oct 29th?
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Old 10-17-2017, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull View Post
5th highest?
After Oct 29th?
Yes. That's the proposal.
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Old 10-17-2017, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SEAtoSummit View Post
Long time lurker, but I'd like some input.

My top consideration is living in Seattle, and that's non-negotiable. Of course, I also would like Legacy/Major pay and QOL, so a career at a SEA-based regional is just not in the cards. Clearly the best option would be Delta to SEA. But for you guys with strong opinions on AS either way, which would you choose if you were in my shoes (if Delta doesn't pan out)?

1. Suck it up and join Alaska with eyes wide-open, accepting that pay and QOL will suffer - but being able to live in-base.

2. Go with UA or SWA knowing that I will be a career-commuter to the Bay Area. Or AA/FDX with an even farther commute?

Is QOL and management so poor at Alaska that you would accept the commuter life with another carrier?

Thanks in advance!
I'm a life long SEA resident that works for VX and I'm not thrilled with this merger. If that tells you anything. BTW, I grew up in a "Alaska Family". My old Man worked in the MX dept. most of my childhood.
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Old 10-17-2017, 07:20 PM
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SEAtoSUMMIT:

If Delta is your first choice, call in your markers, network, find out what you need to do to your app to get it scored highly, do whatever it takes to get that interview, wear the right suit and tie color, do the prep, know all of the answers, and know whether to sit in the rocking chair, so to speak. It still is whom you know in this world.

That being said, practically speaking, you take the first offer that comes down the pike. If it's your first choice, great. If not, keep your apps up-to-date. Keep networking. Keep trying. The best way to get a job is to already have one.

Wherever you end up, living in base is huge. That’s the ideal. So, even though you have already ruled it out, consider moving. Never say never. As an airline pilot, you'll find your self rationalizing a lot of decisions by telling yourself and others that it's cheaper than alimony.

As far as commuting is concerned, it's a relative thing. It's not ideal at any one place; but, it's better at some places than others. It depends upon the airline work rules (scheduling/scheduling flexibility) and the distance you have to commute. There's a big difference between SEA-SFO or SEA-OAK and a trans-con to get to work. Being able to commute the day of a trip as opposed to coming in the day before or going home the day after is huge as well. Also, the scheduling flexibility at where you end up is very, very important. The ability to arrange your schedule around your commute, birthdays, anniversaries, and the ability to just drop down if need be makes a world of difference.

It’s cliché but very, very, true nonetheless. If mama’s not happy, NO ONE is happy. There is more to life than money, especially if chasing that money ends in divorce or a child in rehab.

There are plenty of Reserve McChord guys who do just what you’re asking. Hopefully they can shed some light on the subject. Ask about drilling and commuting. Ask about Mil Leave and their personal experiences. In the past, Alaska had issues with Mil Leave at both McChord and Whidbey. Ask about scheduling flexibility. Especially ask the McChord Alaska guys about any ability to change their schedules. Step trades? Can they drop below 75? Can they trade with open time? Are all of the days closed because of inadequate reserve coverage? Vacation? Can they get vacation with their families? Weekends, nights, or holidays? Keep in mind that just because their contract has provisions, MOUs, and LOAs for scheduling doesn't mean that they can practically do it. Can you say Third Step?

Lastly, ask any Reserve McChord buddies about how many days they get off each month. A Delta guy flying green slips at double-time is getting paid more than twice as much as an Alaska guy limited contractually to working mostly for straight time. Hypothetically, that could mean a Delta guy or gal working less than half as many days in a month compared to an Alaska guy. It is all about the work rules. Ask your buddies to show you their W-2s. What you make as an airline pilot is not your hourly wage. It’s what your W-2 says at the end of the year. That W-2 is a product of work rules. The ability to get paid more in the same or fewer days equates to more days at home with your family if you so choose.

My first choice would be to do anything and everything to get on with DA in Seattle. The reasons are many. Hopefully you know the specifics. Again, it's a relative thing. Bottom line, DA gives you the most choices going forward. Don’t give up on that one.

Personally, I would commute to OAK for Southwest before I would go to Alaska. Even with the commute to OAK, your schedule, QOL, and future will be better. AM/PM lines, trips touching, only 15 days on reserve, the ability to drop down each month, trades, good rigs, and better pay, etc. None of which you will enjoy at Alaska by comparison. Southwest is also a larger airline planning on doing a lot of hiring. There’s more of everything to be had and things will move faster at a larger airline compared to smaller Alaska.

So, to sum it up, you apply to your top choices, you take the first offer that comes your way, and if necessary, you keep trying to get-on at your number one choice.

Good luck.
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Old 10-21-2017, 09:49 AM
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Trying to find out if I successfully interview, how long from interview to class date. Just got the call and was offered nov 7th which is really soon, don't want to wait so I will be cramming. Then wonder how long the wait is.
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Old 10-21-2017, 10:04 AM
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I sent you a PM with a question. Hope thats ok.

Originally Posted by amkelly View Post
Trying to find out if I successfully interview, how long from interview to class date. Just got the call and was offered nov 7th which is really soon, don't want to wait so I will be cramming. Then wonder how long the wait is.
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Old 10-21-2017, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by amkelly View Post
Trying to find out if I successfully interview, how long from interview to class date. Just got the call and was offered nov 7th which is really soon, don't want to wait so I will be cramming. Then wonder how long the wait is.
Nov 7 is far away. When I got the interview email on a Tuesday, my 2 dates were Wednesday the next day (yes, next day at SFO), or the following Wednesday. That was 8 days so I took it. I'm a firm believer in not putting off interview dates and accept what they provide. The sooner the better and the quicker you'll be in class and not lose seniority.
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Old 10-22-2017, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by amkelly View Post
Trying to find out if I successfully interview, how long from interview to class date. Just got the call and was offered nov 7th which is really soon, don't want to wait so I will be cramming. Then wonder how long the wait is.
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As mentioned above I think most people in my interview group had about a week notice, some only 2 days notice. I was called 11 days before my interview date.

Getting a class date took us around 30 days because you need your background check to clear. The company they use for that are ridiculous about asking for stupid stuff.

Good luck in the interview.
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Old 10-22-2017, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull View Post
5th highest?
After Oct 29th?
Not even 5th, only 12 year pay is 5th. The middle of the captain and FO scale is horrible. As in worse than Hawaiian. If I was job hunting I wouldn't come here.
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