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Old 10-15-2017, 06:50 AM
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Gearboy , you sound like an outsider troll. You have no knowledge of what happened here, so maybe you should shut your ozone producing hole. Go way man just go away
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:20 AM
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Gearboy , you sound like an outsider troll. You have no knowledge of what happened here, so maybe you should shut your ozone producing hole. Go way man just go away
Unfortunately, Gear Boy is 100% correct. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by busbusbaby View Post
Gearboy , you sound like an outsider troll. You have no knowledge of what happened here, so maybe you should shut your ozone producing hole. Go way man just go away
Gearboy was once an Alaskan pilot and wasn't acquired so he knows what he's talking about. Until people know the facts and worked under this regime, I'd suggest that ya'll keep your pie hole shut.
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Old 10-15-2017, 11:48 AM
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I could be wrong but neither Gearboy or Packrat ever worked for Alaska , maybe Horizon, that would explain their dislike for AAG .
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Old 10-15-2017, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by juventus View Post
I could be wrong but neither Gearboy or Packrat ever worked for Alaska , maybe Horizon, that would explain their dislike for AAG .
You don't have to work for QX to dislike AAG management. Some of us are still here at ALK and dislike our management.

They treat every employee group as an adversary. We are a liability to them when it comes to pay & benefits. They fight every work group tooth & nail to pay the least for most productivity.

I get it. It's just business. But, their adversarial tactics are really beginning to wear on us. They are really destroying morale and don't seem to care.

They have already damaged QX. ALK may be next if they don't wake up.

We have really good employee groups here. It's our management that leaves a lot to be desired. They are great with numbers and metrics, but they have no sense for human factors. People are going to stop bending over backwards for management and their empty platitudes.

It comes down to pay, time off, & QOL while at work. All 3 of those things have been chipped away at.

I'm not a bitter person. But, I would have looked elsewhere if the market was like this 12 years ago.

I do have buyer's remorse for sure. Anyway, bottom line is that GearBoy has been correct in all his posts.

A pilot candidate should look at his/her prospective employer with a critical eye. Research, read, & talk to people. This is the rest of your career. Make an informed decision.

FWIW, I wouldn't recommend any of my friends come to ALK.
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:54 PM
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We have really good employee groups here. It's our management that....


I keep hearing that but if the pilot group is so great, why donít they have any b@lls, and why are they completely unaware of the industry around them?
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Old 10-15-2017, 05:39 PM
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I keep hearing that but if the pilot group is so great, why donít they have any b@lls, and why are they completely unaware of the industry around them?
I think you answered your own question. Whatís the saying? ďNice guys finish last.Ē We do have great employees. I have tried to stay somewhat positive. I thought it canít get any worse. The culture hasnít changed. Gear boy speaks the truth, although he speaks it a lot.😁
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Old 10-15-2017, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by juventus View Post
I could be wrong but neither Gearboy or Packrat ever worked for Alaska , maybe Horizon, that would explain their dislike for AAG .

No, never QX-

Truth be told, IMHO, not a big fan of Horizon pilots who moved-up to ALK, especially the Lamar UND stereotypes. Just my opinion, but, they seemed to be some of the biggest sufferers of what I perceived to be Stockholm and beaten wife syndromes. IMO, the air group was all that they knew and thus rolled, folded and voted YES easily.

So, NO, not a QX guy-

Only an Alaska guy with years on both the MD and 737:

Multiple years on reserve with only 10 days off a month, poor or no QoL under the Sorrensons, Muis, Haiges, Johnsons, Wellmans, Sarretskys, Ayers et al; IMO, contract violation after violation; fly then grieve; stolen days off; stolen vacation days; reduced and eliminated summer vacations; multiple unnecessary base displacements; voted away pensions; ~35% pay cut; needless furloughs; a dysfunctional family that eats its young; IMO, CAs selling FOs down the river; unrealistic staffing models; IMO, intimidation for using SL; a bag of Moose Munch for X-mas, PayDay candy bars, 92% of industry; and insult after injury, on and on ...

All of the above and many more explain my dislike for AAG. Truthfully, I readily admit that I consider going to Alaska and not leaving sooner a mistake. If I had to do it over again, I'd do it differently. Again, just my opinion. Your mileage may differ.

I post not because I'm a troll as babybus childishly asserts. I do it probably for two reasons, possibly false altruism, so others don't make the same mistake I made and because it's cathartic. It's cheaper than therapy.

Listen. I believe that I wasted a lot of time at Alaska. IMO, they ruined a lot of lives, needlessly. Others should not suffer the same fate, especially in todays environment. If you want to go there, GO. Just hopefully make an educated informed decision.

I do find it interesting though, that babybus, presumably from Virgin, tells me that after being there for years that I know nothing of "over here," as if being recently acquired makes him all-knowing and a seasoned ALK veteran. Bravado, I guess- Maybe wounded pride-

Just go away? I already did. I knew enough to do just that. Hopefully, you won't have to entertain thoughts of doing the same. Truthfully, it'll be up to your newly integrated pilot group to make things better.

baby, I am not the real enemy. If the truth hurts, I'm sorry. Good luck to you. Find solace in knowing that I have more faith in the Virgin pilots than the usual Alaska suspects. The VX pilots do not have years of culture and syndromes to overcome. If Northwest could dig-in, resist, and overcome/prevail at Delta, there's hope for you guys too. But, denial and not facing the Bizarro Alaskas World reality won't help.

Again, good luck, God speed, and grow a pair. Otherwise, get used to being 5th highest.

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Originally Posted by GearBoy View Post
No, never QX-

Truth be told, IMHO, not a big fan of Horizon pilots who moved-up to ALK, especially the Lamar UND stereotypes. Just my opinion, but, they seemed to be some of the biggest sufferers of what I perceived to be Stockholm and beaten wife syndromes. IMO, the air group was all that they knew and thus rolled, folded and voted YES easily.

So, NO, not a QX guy-

Only an Alaska guy with years on both the MD and 737:

Multiple years on reserve with only 10 days off a month, poor or no QoL under the Sorrensons, Muis, Haiges, Johnsons, Wellmans, Sarretskys, Ayers et al; IMO, contract violation after violation; fly then grieve; stolen days off; stolen vacation days; reduced and eliminated summer vacations; multiple unnecessary base displacements; voted away pensions; ~35% pay cut; needless furloughs; a dysfunctional family that eats its young; IMO, CAs selling FOs down the river; unrealistic staffing models; IMO, intimidation for using SL; a bag of Moose Munch for X-mas, PayDay candy bars, 92% of industry; and insult after injury, on and on ...

All of the above and many more explain my dislike for AAG. Truthfully, I readily admit that I consider going to Alaska and not leaving sooner a mistake. If I had to do it over again, I'd do it differently. Again, just my opinion. Your mileage may differ.

I post not because I'm a troll as babybus childishly asserts. I do it probably for two reasons, possibly false altruism, so others don't make the same mistake I made and because it's cathartic. It's cheaper than therapy.

Listen. I believe that I wasted a lot of time at Alaska. IMO, they ruined a lot of lives, needlessly. Others should not suffer the same fate, especially in todays environment. If you want to go there, GO. Just hopefully make an educated informed decision.

I do find it interesting though, that babybus, presumably from Virgin, tells me that after being there for years that I know nothing of "over here," as if being recently acquired makes him all-knowing and a seasoned ALK veteran. Bravado, I guess- Maybe wounded pride-

Just go away? I already did. I knew enough to do just that. Hopefully, you won't have to entertain thoughts of doing the same. Truthfully, it'll be up to your newly integrated pilot group to make things better.

baby, I am not the real enemy. If the truth hurts, I'm sorry. Good luck to you. Find solace in knowing that I have more faith in the Virgin pilots than the usual Alaska suspects. The VX pilots do not have years of culture and syndromes to overcome. If Northwest could dig-in, resist, and overcome/prevail at Delta, there's hope for you guys too. But, denial and not facing the Bizarro Alaskas World reality won't help.

Again, good luck, God speed, and grow a pair. Otherwise, get used to being 5th highest.
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Old 10-16-2017, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy View Post
No, never QX-

Truth be told, IMHO, not a big fan of Horizon pilots who moved-up to ALK, especially the Lamar UND stereotypes. Just my opinion, but, they seemed to be some of the biggest sufferers of what I perceived to be Stockholm and beaten wife syndromes. IMO, the air group was all that they knew and thus rolled, folded and voted YES easily.

So, NO, not a QX guy-

Only an Alaska guy with years on both the MD and 737:

Multiple years on reserve with only 10 days off a month, poor or no QoL under the Sorrensons, Muis, Haiges, Johnsons, Wellmans, Sarretskys, Ayers et al; IMO, contract violation after violation; fly then grieve; stolen days off; stolen vacation days; reduced and eliminated summer vacations; multiple unnecessary base displacements; voted away pensions; ~35% pay cut; needless furloughs; a dysfunctional family that eats its young; IMO, CAs selling FOs down the river; unrealistic staffing models; IMO, intimidation for using SL; a bag of Moose Munch for X-mas, PayDay candy bars, 92% of industry; and insult after injury, on and on ...

All of the above and many more explain my dislike for AAG. Truthfully, I readily admit that I consider going to Alaska and not leaving sooner a mistake. If I had to do it over again, I'd do it differently. Again, just my opinion. Your mileage may differ.

I post not because I'm a troll as babybus childishly asserts. I do it probably for two reasons, possibly false altruism, so others don't make the same mistake I made and because it's cathartic. It's cheaper than therapy.

Listen. I believe that I wasted a lot of time at Alaska. IMO, they ruined a lot of lives, needlessly. Others should not suffer the same fate, especially in todays environment. If you want to go there, GO. Just hopefully make an educated informed decision.

I do find it interesting though, that babybus, presumably from Virgin, tells me that after being there for years that I know nothing of "over here," as if being recently acquired makes him all-knowing and a seasoned ALK veteran. Bravado, I guess- Maybe wounded pride-

Just go away? I already did. I knew enough to do just that. Hopefully, you won't have to entertain thoughts of doing the same. Truthfully, it'll be up to your newly integrated pilot group to make things better.

baby, I am not the real enemy. If the truth hurts, I'm sorry. Good luck to you. Find solace in knowing that I have more faith in the Virgin pilots than the usual Alaska suspects. The VX pilots do not have years of culture and syndromes to overcome. If Northwest could dig-in, resist, and overcome/prevail at Delta, there's hope for you guys too. But, denial and not facing the Bizarro Alaskas World reality won't help.

Again, good luck, God speed, and grow a pair. Otherwise, get used to being 5th highest.
Once again, very will said! It's the worst case of Stockholm syndrome in the industry. Let's hope the VX guys will prevent the AS yes men from lowering the bar even further...
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