Alaska Air Hiring
10-11-2017, 09:03 AM
#2521
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,898
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
Arbitration is on the table thanks to ALPA merger Policy, not the Alaska Pilot group. There was never a choice not to use arbitration in this process. It was predetermined by ALPA National.
10-11-2017, 12:09 PM
#2522
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: Jet
Posts: 214
Originally Posted by Mea25000
Really???
Never voted yes for a contract in my tenure at Alaska.
Dream job??? Well not so much. This industry has sucked for 16 years... not many dream jobs out there
We are in arbitration...will get an award on the 29th... pretty sure we will be ok. If it really sucks complain then.
And wait didn’t you go undercut the entire industry for RJ rates.
95hr 320 CA... Don’t think AS management didn’t rub our noses in it as we had to compete with you guys.... I know I know your a “cobra” now demanding Delta 777 rates... what a joke.. I can hardly wait for the SLI... AS management is going to have to give all the VX pilots the day off served with hot coco and coloring books
Never voted yes for a contract in my tenure at Alaska.
Dream job??? Well not so much. This industry has sucked for 16 years... not many dream jobs out there
We are in arbitration...will get an award on the 29th... pretty sure we will be ok. If it really sucks complain then.
And wait didn’t you go undercut the entire industry for RJ rates.
95hr 320 CA... Don’t think AS management didn’t rub our noses in it as we had to compete with you guys.... I know I know your a “cobra” now demanding Delta 777 rates... what a joke.. I can hardly wait for the SLI... AS management is going to have to give all the VX pilots the day off served with hot coco and coloring books
10-11-2017, 02:02 PM
#2523
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 981
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
That's completely wrong. You don't even know your current Scope Section 1, no wonder we're screwed. The entire arbitration process we're going through is spelled out in the 2013 AS contract Section 1 - Scope (includes M&A language). I forgive you though. After all that info was buried in Section 1 Scope and some of you still think that only means mouthwash and are the only legacy with no real Scope.
10-11-2017, 02:30 PM
#2524
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Position: a cushy one with a forward facing window
Posts: 114
I cant say what I really want to, but the senior Alaska pilots and MEC and LECs are kool aid drinking, brown nosing, and spineless. I really hope the mergered group can run these people out of office and show the angel lake folks what a true unified (union) pilot group is like. 
10-11-2017, 04:01 PM
#2525
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 19
You're spot on. But it will never happen. Those residing above 13 Coins are too entrenched and skilled at the bureaucracy to ever let go of their grip. And the VX MEC has no backbone. They'll be swept aside for business as usual soon enough.
10-11-2017, 05:32 PM
#2526
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 343
We can blame our union leadership until the cows come home.
But until the rank and file pilots start growing a set and have some self respect, nothing is going to happen.
GearBoy has already covered it all.
Until we have a pilot group that is not fat, dumb, and happy with everything, then nothing is going to change.
How many pilots actually read the communications from the LEC, MEC, & JNC?
How many pilots contact their reps on a regular basis? How many attend meetings?
Get involved & stay engaged. Also, do your job and allow others to do theirs.
Blame the officers all you want. But, nothing is going to change until each individual pilot becomes engaged.
But until the rank and file pilots start growing a set and have some self respect, nothing is going to happen.
GearBoy has already covered it all.
Until we have a pilot group that is not fat, dumb, and happy with everything, then nothing is going to change.
How many pilots actually read the communications from the LEC, MEC, & JNC?
How many pilots contact their reps on a regular basis? How many attend meetings?
Get involved & stay engaged. Also, do your job and allow others to do theirs.
Blame the officers all you want. But, nothing is going to change until each individual pilot becomes engaged.
10-11-2017, 05:39 PM
#2528
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 279
A change in attitude and ACTION by the pilot group would likely have had us enjoying the fruits of a negotiated contract now, not waiting to hear what an arbitrator has decided for us.
But we flat out did not compel them to respect us. We’re where we are now because of that.
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But we flat out did not compel them to respect us. We’re where we are now because of that.
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10-11-2017, 05:56 PM
#2529
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
He was probably confused about the SLI going to arbitration. That is ALPA policy.
Yet still thinks that ALPA National is somehow the problem.
10-11-2017, 06:27 PM
#2530
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 170
Originally Posted by Just a Lurker
You're spot on. But it will never happen. Those residing above 13 Coins are too entrenched and skilled at the bureaucracy to ever let go of their grip. And the VX MEC has no backbone. They'll be swept aside for business as usual soon enough.
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