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Old 02-25-2018, 02:02 PM
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...., go to the flight operation that will make you the happiest.

For my own personal reasons that operation for me was Alaska Airlines and I am very happy to hang my hat here (though I hope that hat becomes optional in the near future). My reasons are not your reasons so again, do your due diligence, pick your companies, take the first class date you get and enjoy your time off.
Who talks like that? Go to the "flight operation"? I'm excited to fly with people eager to work here but know what you're getting into guys and girls
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Old 02-25-2018, 02:18 PM
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Who talks like that? Go to the "flight operation"? I'm excited to fly with people eager to work here but know what you're getting into guys and girls
Using “Flight Operation” in the context of both 121 Airline and 135 Corporate jobs; just a way to encompass both together. I feel some unhappy airline pilots would find what they are looking for in the corporate world.
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Old 02-25-2018, 07:13 PM
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Who talks like that? Go to the "flight operation"?
Yeah, seriously. Noob. Anybody who has been around knows the proper airline pilot phraseology is, “get on property at the flight operation...”.
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:44 PM
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We keep cutting routes and will probably post a loss. No one else is shrinking and losing money. Think about that while you’re waiting for the phone to ring. Prospective pilots should view this as an opportunity to interview Alaska because you have more to offer them than they have to offer you.
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:23 AM
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No Airline, or business for that matter, has ever survived by shrinking to profitability!
It’s business 101...
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Old 02-27-2018, 09:45 AM
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We keep cutting routes and will probably post a loss. No one else is shrinking and losing money. Think about that while you’re waiting for the phone to ring. Prospective pilots should view this as an opportunity to interview Alaska because you have more to offer them than they have to offer you.
So far as I know we aren't losing planes so we're not shrinking. Cutting routes and then redeploying those planes on different routes is what's happening. Now, we have no scope so that's REALLY messed up and that's a serious threat. However, we're not shrinking...still hiring actually. Sooo there's that.
Also, no other major is in the middle of a merger so maybe that's why we have a different financial situation that anyone else. Remember that after the 1st quarter and going into the 3rd-4th we will be very profitable. Soooo there's that too.
I know you think the sky is falling ALL the time and I"m not sure how you sleep with all of that stress. I guess I don't care. Anyway...it's an interesting time to be at Alaska...lots of new changes and it's uneasy for sure. But it's not doom and gloom like some would have you believe.
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:49 PM
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So far as I know we aren't losing planes so we're not shrinking. Cutting routes and then redeploying those planes on different routes is what's happening. Now, we have no scope so that's REALLY messed up and that's a serious threat. However, we're not shrinking...still hiring actually. Sooo there's that.
Also, no other major is in the middle of a merger so maybe that's why we have a different financial situation that anyone else. Remember that after the 1st quarter and going into the 3rd-4th we will be very profitable. Soooo there's that too.
I know you think the sky is falling ALL the time and I"m not sure how you sleep with all of that stress. I guess I don't care. Anyway...it's an interesting time to be at Alaska...lots of new changes and it's uneasy for sure. But it's not doom and gloom like some would have you believe.
Agreed no announcement of a loss of airplanes...yet. A glance at flights later this year on the virgin side reflect that routes currently served by the 319 are all 320. Looking further I couldn’t find any 319 flights on the schedule beyond the summer, being fair I didn’t look at every day but still. Could be they are being painted then but I think a higher likelyhood is that they will be gone. So a 10 airplane reduction there, could contribute to the recent cancellation of airbus classes.
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Old 02-27-2018, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76 View Post
Agreed no announcement of a loss of airplanes...yet. A glance at flights later this year on the virgin side reflect that routes currently served by the 319 are all 320. Looking further I couldn’t find any 319 flights on the schedule beyond the summer, being fair I didn’t look at every day but still. Could be they are being painted then but I think a higher likelyhood is that they will be gone. So a 10 airplane reduction there, could contribute to the recent cancellation of airbus classes.
From the recently published SEC 10-K filing, page 53, under fleet count, "The expected fleet counts at December 31, 2018 and 2019 are subject to change. We intend to reduce the capital investment spend driven by fleet counts above, specifically in 2018, 2019 and 2020, which may require deferral of certain aircraft deliveries." Also, they have quietly dropped LAX-MCO, SFO-FLL, SFO-MEX as well as some CPA flying in the coming months. Watch their actions, not their words.
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Old 02-27-2018, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OCCP View Post
We keep cutting routes and will probably post a loss. No one else is shrinking and losing money. Think about that while you’re waiting for the phone to ring. Prospective pilots should view this as an opportunity to interview Alaska because you have more to offer them than they have to offer you.

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So far as I know we aren't losing planes so we're not shrinking. Cutting routes and then redeploying those planes on different routes is what's happening. Now, we have no scope so that's REALLY messed up and that's a serious threat. However, we're not shrinking...still hiring actually. Sooo there's that.
Also, no other major is in the middle of a merger so maybe that's why we have a different financial situation that anyone else. Remember that after the 1st quarter and going into the 3rd-4th we will be very profitable. Soooo there's that too.
I know you think the sky is falling ALL the time and I"m not sure how you sleep with all of that stress. I guess I don't care. Anyway...it's an interesting time to be at Alaska...lots of new changes and it's uneasy for sure. But it's not doom and gloom like some would have you believe.
Yep. I have friends on both sides of the AS house, and while they all admit things could be better, none project the continual doom and gloom of this OCCP character. Looking back at his post history, it’s ALL he’s about. Complain complain complain. The sky is falling. This dude would not be happy at Delta. He’s just one of those perpetually angry people (“no I’m not, I’m just a realist”).

The truth is somewhere in the middle of “the sky is falling” and “this place is all unicorns and rainbows”.

OCCP is firmly in the “Sky is falling” camp.
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76 View Post
Agreed no announcement of a loss of airplanes...yet. A glance at flights later this year on the virgin side reflect that routes currently served by the 319 are all 320. Looking further I couldn’t find any 319 flights on the schedule beyond the summer, being fair I didn’t look at every day but still. Could be they are being painted then but I think a higher likelyhood is that they will be gone. So a 10 airplane reduction there, could contribute to the recent cancellation of airbus classes.
How far out are you looking where you don’t see any 319s? Alaska uses a generic place holder for routes where a specific configuration isn’t already known.

For example, this fall, West coast to Hawaii, with the exception of SFO and LAX, show -800s. SFO and LAX to HNL show 8F and 141Y, which I believe to be a generic Airbus placeholder. LAX and SFO to JFK show 8/141 for all flights even though some of those will likely be the 321neo.

Another example is if you look at SEA-ANC this fall. Most flights show 12F and 156Y, which is a configuration that doesn’t even exist.

As a date moves closer and the airline can judge how strong or weak bookings are, they will assign a -700, -800, or 900er on a route.

One last thought, my hunch is that what we see in employee travel after April is far from reality. After we are single PSS, I bet they swap a bunch of Airbus and Boeing routes.
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