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NewGuy01 10-27-2021 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 3314764)
PBS has nothing to do with how crappy our scheduling QOL would be. I can't freaking stand that narrative. It's crappy now, why would we make it crappier? The assumption that change means bad is the sign of a submissive and battered pilot group. It is time to stop being victims and start getting what we need around here. You must be on the 737 because this is the exact same crap I hear from legacy AS pilots who have no prior real world airline experience (IE they came from the military or Horizon). This defeated, weak attitude is exactly how management wants you, and it is exactly why we have the absolute pile of crap we call a "CBA" right now. It is also exactly this mindset, that will cause us to fail in our attempts to actually fix things. It is time to get out of the stone age.


I’ve never had a chance to vote on anything and I’m standing here with a gas can and a pack of matches.

I didn’t think it could get any worse year one and well here we are. It’s much, much worse.

To be clear nothing would make me happier than burning this hole down to the ground. Even if it meant I had to look for another job. This place is so awful I wouldn’t mind starting at the bottom of the list someplace else even a regional. Also, it would give me great joy to see OTZ Eagle lose his pension.


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ShyGuy 10-27-2021 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314542)
In my short time here I’ve seen things get worse every single time something changes.

I think that’s why pilots are so afraid of change here at AS. Also the company would just violate the implementation LOA when PBS was set up.

A year ago they just took away vacation trading and vacation open time. It was insane. Just poof gone.

I had PBS at SkyWest and it was great. But with how things are at AS it would just be used to hose us even harder than we get hosed now.


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Vacation trading is a contractual provision. They can't just take that away. What happened, apparently, is that they always released more vacation open days than required for the process of bidding vacations but after that was done, they left those extra days in the pool of vacation open days. They changed that practice and removed the days, to just what's required by the contractual minimum. Just clarifying that for any newbie reading, you can still do vacation trading with both open time and other pilots. Just that the pool has been depleted for when Nov 3 comes around. For some bases/seats, that was zero for a while before some days finally popped into open time.

ShyGuy 10-27-2021 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314825)
I’ve never had a chance to vote on anything and I’m standing here with a gas can and a pack of matches.

I didn’t think it could get any worse year one and well here we are. It’s much, much worse.

To be clear nothing would make me happier than burning this hole down to the ground. Even if it meant I had to look for another job. This place is so awful I wouldn’t mind starting at the bottom of the list someplace else even a regional. Also, it would give me great joy to see OTZ Eagle lose his pension.


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What a unifying post. Divide and Conquer seems to have worked very well, VX pitted against AS. Most of the negative posts here are ex-VX.

flyprdu 10-27-2021 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3314845)
What a unifying post. Divide and Conquer seems to have worked very well, VX pitted against AS. Most of the negative posts here are ex-VX.

How wrong of you to assume he is VX. Your ability to throw your former employer under the bus is unmatched.

OTZeagle1 10-27-2021 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314825)
I’ve never had a chance to vote on anything and I’m standing here with a gas can and a pack of matches.

I didn’t think it could get any worse year one and well here we are. It’s much, much worse.

To be clear nothing would make me happier than burning this hole down to the ground. Even if it meant I had to look for another job. This place is so awful I wouldn’t mind starting at the bottom of the list someplace else even a regional. Also, it would give me great joy to see OTZ Eagle lose his pension.
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Ah Ma-am…. Their is nothing you can do to affect my pension. The Federal government and a bankruptcy judge would be the only ones that might. The laws have changed though…just ask DP and AMR. Pretty sure that thing is going to pay out when I go. No worries though. Thanks for your concern.

NewGuy01 10-27-2021 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3314845)
What a unifying post. Divide and Conquer seems to have worked very well, VX pitted against AS. Most of the negative posts here are ex-VX.


I’ve never touched the controls of a bus. Have met some VX pilots that I like and I’m glad they are here.

Hopefully with their help we either run this hole into the ground or we get a new contract with scope.

Continuing with this status quo isn’t something I’d care to do for the next 20 something years.

Personally I find captains that ask me why I wouldn’t just want to do this job for free more offensive than my last post. But our priorities are probably quite different.


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ShyGuy 10-27-2021 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 3314857)
How wrong of you to assume he is VX. Your ability to throw your former employer under the bus is unmatched.

He's a new guy, post merger. I don't know what the second part means. I'm not commenting about the employer itself.

flyprdu 10-27-2021 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3314907)
He's a new guy, post merger. I don't know what the second part means. I'm not commenting about the employer itself.

I'm saying you have a history of talking trash about your former coworkers, to the point where you had to do a carpet dance for chronically trolling the Pinnacle forums after you moved on.
Some things don't change.

ShyGuy 10-27-2021 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 3314910)
I'm saying you have a history of talking trash about your former coworkers, to the point where you had to do a carpet dance for chronically trolling the Pinnacle forums after you moved on.
Some things don't change.

I have not trash talked any VX coworker. And what carpet dance? I don’t recall any. Why would mgt care about a regional forum?

MinRest 10-27-2021 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3314845)
What a unifying post. Divide and Conquer seems to have worked very well, VX pitted against AS. Most of the negative posts here are ex-VX.


I didn’t take his post as VX versus AS. Hell, he isn’t even VX, he’s SkyWest. The undeniable truth is that legacy AS pilots are responsible for the mess we are all in. The contract, work rules, scope, or lack there of, is the work of the legacy pilot group. It is what it is, but to deny that reality would be plain silly. But we are all under one roof now, and it’s time to get what we deserve. Most of the legacy side is ready, energized and poised to do what’s necessary to get what we all deserve. The past is done, it’s time to right history now together as one group which is exactly what we are. There is no more VX, it’s dead and gone. We are all AS and it’s time to be treated like a real airline.


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