Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3314538)

So PBS is unaffected by any contractual language surrounding pairing construction, min day value, required days off, cancellation language etc……Training pay and vacation value will have no effect on PBS…..
Not having any contractual language surrounding the selection, staffing, implementation and control over the PBS program will also have no effect on schedule quality or value…
Then I am in….We should ask Alaska Airlines to implement PBS now…
Of course the Alaska Airlines FA’s have a significantly better contract when it comes to scheduling and work rules. And they have been fighting with Alaska Airlines for 15 years over constant PBS implementation and scheduling violations. And what pilots that work for an entirely separate corporation with completely separate management and a totally different union and contract have to do with this discussion mystifies me.
If it is stand alone as good as you say with no input from ALPA and no language surrounding it then lets get it done

Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 3314540)

How embarrassing. Of course, all of the issues that you wring your hands over could be addressed in the implementation LOA. But that would require hard bargaining, and that might jeopardize some pilot's invites to BT's cookouts.

Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314542)

In my short time here I’ve seen things get worse every single time something changes.

I think that’s why pilots are so afraid of change here at AS. Also the company would just violate the implementation LOA when PBS was set up.

A year ago they just took away vacation trading and vacation open time. It was insane. Just poof gone.

I had PBS at SkyWest and it was great. But with how things are at AS it would just be used to hose us even harder than we get hosed now.

Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 3314543)

You sound so defeated. Just how they like 'em.

Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314544)

It didn’t take long either… soul is officially crushed.


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Originally Posted by flyprdu (Post 3314546)

Look I get that your experience in the airlines isn't very strong when it comes to unions. You've worked for a non-union carrier, and a (previously) feckless one.

So your examples of how labor relations work might not give you a lot of hope. But fly the contract. And if the company can violate the contract without penalty, then rewrite the enforcement mechanisms. All your soul-crushing complaints can be remedied by a single contract. We just need the cojones to negotiate for it.

Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3314538)

If it is stand alone as good as you say with no input from ALPA and no language surrounding it then lets get it done

Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314549)

Just to be clear I am absolutely on board to do whatever it takes to get the contract that you speak of.

I don’t see that happening until we are cleared to go on strike.

Until then I will continue to fly the contract.


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Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314542)

A year ago they just took away vacation trading and vacation open time. It was insane. Just poof gone.

Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314542)

In my short time here I’ve seen things get worse every single time something changes.

I think that’s why pilots are so afraid of change here at AS. Also the company would just violate the implementation LOA when PBS was set up.

A year ago they just took away vacation trading and vacation open time. It was insane. Just poof gone.

I had PBS at SkyWest and it was great. But with how things are at AS it would just be used to hose us even harder than we get hosed now.


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