Alaska Air Hiring
06-09-2022, 09:00 PM
#6351
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Originally Posted by Miltocivil
Barely enough to cover attrition and upgrades
As posted a few pages ago in this thread, the attrition and hiring numbers YTD are extremely similar for Alaska, jetBlue, and Spirit. Why would a newhire stay at these 3 carriers when they can go to the big 3 legacies for much faster movement, more retirements, widebody planes, and multiple bases throughout the entire nation (one in each time zone)?
Notice I purposefully said nothing about pilot contracts. A pilot contract won't fix the structural issues described in the question posed above.
06-09-2022, 09:52 PM
#6352
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Do you have actual numbers?
As posted a few pages ago in this thread, the attrition and hiring numbers YTD are extremely similar for Alaska, jetBlue, and Spirit. Why would a newhire stay at these 3 carriers when they can go to the big 3 legacies for much faster movement, more retirements, widebody planes, and multiple bases throughout the entire nation (one in each time zone)?
Notice I purposefully said nothing about pilot contracts. A pilot contract won't fix the structural issues described in the question posed above.
As posted a few pages ago in this thread, the attrition and hiring numbers YTD are extremely similar for Alaska, jetBlue, and Spirit. Why would a newhire stay at these 3 carriers when they can go to the big 3 legacies for much faster movement, more retirements, widebody planes, and multiple bases throughout the entire nation (one in each time zone)?
Notice I purposefully said nothing about pilot contracts. A pilot contract won't fix the structural issues described in the question posed above.
06-09-2022, 11:11 PM
#6353
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Do you have actual numbers?
As posted a few pages ago in this thread, the attrition and hiring numbers YTD are extremely similar for Alaska, jetBlue, and Spirit. Why would a newhire stay at these 3 carriers when they can go to the big 3 legacies for much faster movement, more retirements, widebody planes, and multiple bases throughout the entire nation (one in each time zone)?
Notice I purposefully said nothing about pilot contracts. A pilot contract won't fix the structural issues described in the question posed above.
As posted a few pages ago in this thread, the attrition and hiring numbers YTD are extremely similar for Alaska, jetBlue, and Spirit. Why would a newhire stay at these 3 carriers when they can go to the big 3 legacies for much faster movement, more retirements, widebody planes, and multiple bases throughout the entire nation (one in each time zone)?
Notice I purposefully said nothing about pilot contracts. A pilot contract won't fix the structural issues described in the question posed above.
06-10-2022, 12:25 AM
#6354
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Do you have actual numbers?
As posted a few pages ago in this thread, the attrition and hiring numbers YTD are extremely similar for Alaska, jetBlue, and Spirit. Why would a newhire stay at these 3 carriers when they can go to the big 3 legacies for much faster movement, more retirements, widebody planes, and multiple bases throughout the entire nation (one in each time zone)?
Notice I purposefully said nothing about pilot contracts. A pilot contract won't fix the structural issues described in the question posed above.
As posted a few pages ago in this thread, the attrition and hiring numbers YTD are extremely similar for Alaska, jetBlue, and Spirit. Why would a newhire stay at these 3 carriers when they can go to the big 3 legacies for much faster movement, more retirements, widebody planes, and multiple bases throughout the entire nation (one in each time zone)?
Notice I purposefully said nothing about pilot contracts. A pilot contract won't fix the structural issues described in the question posed above.
Second tier airlines will need to step up to the plate and compete for a scarce resource….pilots.
06-10-2022, 02:21 AM
#6355
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Originally Posted by AK22
I’m not an Economics major, but if industry leading pay/contract doesn’t solve these “structural issues” what does? “Over-hiring”?
Second tier airlines will need to step up to the plate and compete for a scarce resource….pilots.
Second tier airlines will need to step up to the plate and compete for a scarce resource….pilots.
06-10-2022, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by airb320
Consolidation is the name of the game. As much as some don’t think it will happen, it will sooner or later! This shortage will last several years and that WILL force consolidation… sit back and watch it unfold😉
They'd have to retreat to the PNW, and the managers would need serious top cover from the BOD. Not sure how far the board will go along. Other big problem is share price and shareholders... if it gets too low and the BOD doesn't address it, you could get activism or the shareholders would just sell to the highest bidder. In the later case managers would be on the receiving end of an uncoordinated acquisition... ie unemployed. So I don't think the company can view retreat as a conservative low-risk fallback position, more like a last resort. Considering their fundamental priority has to be their own job security.
06-10-2022, 08:08 AM
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Consolidation is coming for sure but I doubt highly it will involve delta, united, aa, or SWA. The low cost 2nd tier carriers like here at alaska, jet blue, spirit, sunny, frontier are going to all have to pair up or face an eventual demise.
Originally Posted by airb320
Consolidation is the name of the game. As much as some don’t think it will happen, it will sooner or later! This shortage will last several years and that WILL force consolidation… sit back and watch it unfold😉
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