Alaska Air Hiring
04-28-2025 | 09:29 AM
#8181
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they are but I don’t know what markets they are measuring as we are flying less than .5% more in may so the may number is not in line with the block hours we flew in may
in may of 2024 we had 83302 block hours and may of 25 we had 83564 block hours which is less than .5% growth it’s like .1%
in may of 2024 we had 83302 block hours and may of 25 we had 83564 block hours which is less than .5% growth it’s like .1%
AFAIK the projection isn’t for specific markets. It’s showing an overall trend. But I’ve been so busy on reserve I haven’t had the time to give it a look yet.
04-28-2025 | 09:42 AM
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Source documents from the earnings call or your anecdotal references to possible internal interviews via the flow program?
I know which one I’d pick..
The -8 is still sitting on the ramp at BFI. And there have been zero other movements for April. So far, no deliveries for Q2.
I know which one I’d pick..
The -8 is still sitting on the ramp at BFI. And there have been zero other movements for April. So far, no deliveries for Q2.
04-28-2025 | 10:13 AM
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Someone on the internal forum said -4.6 percent. I haven’t fact checked that. Seems widely agreed upon. Except you of course. You should slow your roll on the temper tantrums it’s not a good look.
This was an interesting read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlaskaAirlines/s/XwrFb2V1t7
This was an interesting read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlaskaAirlines/s/XwrFb2V1t7
Post merger, AS wanted to grow SFO rapidly to compete against UA. Then UA put the smack down on AS and they retreated.
04-28-2025 | 10:14 AM
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I’ve never understood this “Hawaiian side only”. We will have one seniority list eventually. Every pilot hired after merger announcement will be Date of Hire on the list. Every new person junior to me is always a good thing.
04-28-2025 | 10:39 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
04-28-2025 | 10:47 AM
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That’s because the source document is forward looking. It’s a best estimate and it’s never quite exact. I believe it’s called the 10K.
AFAIK the projection isn’t for specific markets. It’s showing an overall trend. But I’ve been so busy on reserve I haven’t had the time to give it a look yet.
AFAIK the projection isn’t for specific markets. It’s showing an overall trend. But I’ve been so busy on reserve I haven’t had the time to give it a look yet.
04-28-2025 | 03:44 PM
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Precedent from DAL/NWA and UAL/CAL was that all widebody seats (both CA and FO) were fenced. This was also the case in AA/US and every merger that I’m aware of that included widebodies.
Also precedent in both those two mergers was that future widebody orders were fenced. The 787 was fenced at NWA which was never delivered, and the A350 was fenced at UAL which of course was never delivered.
All that said, no one knows what an arbitrator will decide. They are however bound by Section 45 and very unlikely to deviate from past precedent.
Also precedent in both those two mergers was that future widebody orders were fenced. The 787 was fenced at NWA which was never delivered, and the A350 was fenced at UAL which of course was never delivered.
All that said, no one knows what an arbitrator will decide. They are however bound by Section 45 and very unlikely to deviate from past precedent.
04-28-2025 | 04:02 PM
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Also this is the actually the last of the old skool legacy airline mergers, the notable difference being that only one side has WB's (of course ALPA policy revolves around WB's
).With one caveat: AS side stands to wind up at significant seniority/fence disadvantage (nature of WB vs. NB SLI)... maybe we should ensure that the JCBA has some goodies in it for us specifically, in addition to industry-standard WB rates?
04-28-2025 | 04:05 PM
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Not so great with language and making analogies. Leave it to pilots to throw the baby out with the bath water because AI got an aircraft type mixed up. I’m sure it could be trained to understand scope, fleet dynamics and aircraft retirements. That wasn’t the ask of AI. So the mistake regarding fleet type didn’t bother me.
There are currently some really good points being made about growth being moved to other airlines and the need for additional scope protection.
04-28-2025 | 04:07 PM
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Eischen was the lead arbitrator for both. I don’t have links for the awards but B.4 & B.5 from the DAL/NWA award and B.5 in the UAL/CAL award have widebody fence language that says: “ For a period of five years, no premerger ABC pilot may be awarded a Captain or First Officer vacancy on XYZ aircraft or displaced to one.”
As I previously stated, the awards do have an allowance for unfilled vacancies to be staffed by the premerger pilots that are fenced off, which is highly unlikely to happen for the CA seat but very well could happen for the FO seat (especially in SEA) since we put new hires into the 330/787 in HNL.
As I previously stated, the awards do have an allowance for unfilled vacancies to be staffed by the premerger pilots that are fenced off, which is highly unlikely to happen for the CA seat but very well could happen for the FO seat (especially in SEA) since we put new hires into the 330/787 in HNL.
I tend to assume that those hired onto the HAL list after the merger announcement date won't enjoy fence protections, wouldn't make sense that a 2024 HAL hire would have priority over a 2014 AS hire?
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