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Old 04-29-2025 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodJet
Hope is not a strategy.

One more day and we are at zero deliveries for the month of April.
I (or any pilot) has zero control over deliveries, so guessing and hoping is about all we can do.
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Old 04-29-2025 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Another possibility: JCBA conditional on SLI, negotiate them together so everybody knows what they're getting and where they stand. No that's not how it's normally done but company has little to no say in SLI so they probably wouldn't care either way about that.
That is a really dumb take. You forget how well that worked out for US/HP?
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Old 04-29-2025 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Disappointment
That is a really dumb take. You forget how well that worked out for US/HP?
No I didn't forget and it's not what I suggested. They did SLI first and the losers held JCBA hostage over it, more to their own detriment than anything else.

I'm suggesting a coordinated JCBA+SLI, where they compliment each other, and everybody knows what they're getting into. Not suggesting SLI first.

Plus the US East pilot group had some pretty toxic attitudes, for a variety of reasons. I *think* our two groups can get along much better.

In this case HA pilots are getting (presumably) industry standard rates and improved fiscal/career stability. AS pilots, as things stand now, are getting risk, both seniority/career and also exposure to industry dynamics in the international market. All I'd like is some assurance that I don't get an SLI spanking that reverberates for so long that I'm retired before I see an ROI on this thing. Or money to make up for that is fine too... cash on the barrel-head now affords a lot of flexibility later on.
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Old 04-29-2025 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodJet
Hope is not a strategy.

One more day and we are at zero deliveries for the month of April.
Staunch pessimism isn't a strategy either, yet here you are. There is at least one aircraft in flight test and at least 3 getting ready to flight test. The delivery schedule is very close to being back to projected.
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Old 04-29-2025 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777

In this case HA pilots are getting (presumably) industry standard rates and improved fiscal/career stability. AS pilots, as things stand now, are getting risk, both seniority/career and also exposure to industry dynamics in the international market. All I'd like is some assurance that I don't get an SLI spanking that reverberates for so long that I'm retired before I see an ROI on this thing. Or money to make up for that is fine too... cash on the barrel-head now affords a lot of flexibility later on.
Exactly, this merger presents no benefit to the Alaska group. It’s laughable that we’re getting told this is a win because we get to pick and choose a few more favorable work rules from a below industry standard contract. Or because wIDe BoDiEs, which will be fenced and cost us un-proportional seniority losses.

We should be fighting for well above industry standard NB rates and work rules, to compensate for the suck that’s coming our way.

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Old 04-29-2025 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
Exactly, this merger presents no benefit to the Alaska group. It’s laughable that we’re getting told this is a win because we get to pick and choose a few more favorable work rules from a below industry standard contract. Or because wIDe BoDiEs, which will be fenced and cost us un-proportional seniority losses.

We should be fighting for well above industry standard NB rates and work rules, to compensate for the suck that’s coming our way.
I completely agree with you—and it seems others do too. I just met a guy who’s been with us for 12 years, and he’s leaving for United.

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Old 04-29-2025 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
Exactly, this merger presents no benefit to the Alaska group. It’s laughable that we’re getting told this is a win because we get to pick and choose a few more favorable work rules from a below industry standard contract. Or because wIDe BoDiEs, which will be fenced and cost us un-proportional seniority losses.

We should be fighting for well above industry standard NB rates and work rules, to compensate for the suck that’s coming our way.
this is 100 percent facts. The company and the union better knock it out of the park with the first offer they send to the group or else this is gonna turn into a long protracted fight for the next 3 years
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Old 04-29-2025 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hornetdrvr
I completely agree with you—and it seems others do too. I just met a guy who’s been with us for 12 years, and he’s leaving for United.
Speaking with a UAL pilot recently: they are hiring 1200 this year and the 737 upgrade is less than a year in SFO. Anyone who could stand to live in the SF Bay could do very well for themselves making this choice.
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Old 04-29-2025 | 04:27 PM
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Old 04-29-2025 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hornetdrvr
I completely agree with you—and it seems others do too. I just met a guy who’s been with us for 12 years, and he’s leaving for United.
That might make sense, if you got hired before age 30. And will not suffer personal financial catastrophe if you get furloughed for 2-4 years (plenty of folks have low household expenses, side hustle, Sugar Momma, etc).
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