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Old 01-14-2017, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
I'm hoping people can highlight the positives of which they want. Vx FO bidding 75% ish and work 12 days a month. If I need four particular days off in a month there is almost no way I won't get it. You can decide what mix of trips you feel like flying... you always have the potential of getting a dream schedule. Also, our schedules are posted by the 10th. I'm hoping we get something like this as far as scheduling goes
This is so misguided.

#1. The way pairings are assigned to you (lines vs PBS) has zero impact on your # of days off and credit. The company decides how much credit you will have to work for the month, and the efficiency of the pairings dictates your # of days off.

#2. We at Virgin will almost definitely end up with less efficient trips when we start flying more shorter segments in the Alaska system.

#3. If we want to keep the credit up and thus our high number of days off, the only way to do that is with trip and duty rigs.

#4. Publicly stating on a message board that management can read, that you are trying to SELL PBS to your coworkers undercuts our negotiators.

#5. The appropriate way to have this discussion is directly with your reps or via confidential polling.
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Old 01-14-2017, 04:06 PM
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100% agree with above .
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jayme View Post
This is so misguided.

#1. The way pairings are assigned to you (lines vs PBS) has zero impact on your # of days off and credit. The company decides how much credit you will have to work for the month, and the efficiency of the pairings dictates your # of days off.

#2. We at Virgin will almost definitely end up with less efficient trips when we start flying more shorter segments in the Alaska system.

#3. If we want to keep the credit up and thus our high number of days off, the only way to do that is with trip and duty rigs.

#4. Publicly stating on a message board that management can read, that you are trying to SELL PBS to your coworkers undercuts our negotiators.

#5. The appropriate way to have this discussion is directly with your reps or via confidential polling.
Finally some wisdom!
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:30 PM
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amen to that.....however...PBS at Alaska with our work rule and managements mentality will have all but the top 10% working 16 plus days a month.....
 
Old 01-15-2017, 04:32 AM
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I've been at Alaska for 15 years. PBS is a non starter for me. I've been burned enough by these people to know better. They can't be trusted with PBS.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:47 AM
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United pilot here. If you go with PBS, yer nutz! There are so many different ways for the company to screw pilots with PBS that it isn't funny. Even if you have a benevolent management that programs PBS nicely, it only takes a couple of small management tweaks to turn PBS into a pilot's nightmare.

You've been warned, just like I warned my fellow United pilots before PBS was implemented. If you have any questions about how bad PBS can be, ask a few United pilots. You might find the one-off that's happy with PBS but most will tell you that it stinks.
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
The same is true for any system
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Old 01-16-2017, 11:27 AM
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I have definitely been lucky with pbs but have now realized how bad it can be if the company deicides to make it that way. I now realize that at least everything is on the surface and can't be messed with behind the scenes with line bidding. Sorry for posting it on a forum... I just wanted to know why people preferred one over the other.
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:43 PM
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Neither the time or place to be discussing this. Talk to your reps not on public forums
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:02 AM
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Heard the new Negotiating Committee is staffed solely with Alaska Legend recipients. Seems to have worked well for you last time around.
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