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01-16-2019, 07:47 AM
#431
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Position: Gear Biatch
Posts: 266
Originally Posted by skydisaster
The company says no hiring for 2019. The pilot group says they are full of crap, and there is no way they make it past the summer before they start hiring.
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I agree with this. I personally think that the company will try to operate new routes and new planes with as few pilots as it can until it backfires on them.
The company also knows that the same pilot group that will b!tch and moan about being short staff is the same pilot group that will trample over itself to pick up VFNs for 200% pay. So they’ll take advantage of this for as long as they can.
At some point they will be forced to hire more people due to attrition and slight growth.
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01-16-2019, 12:10 PM
#432
Kabuki Kool
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: fu3king.airline@Furlough. DNA
Posts: 447
One good piece of news is bli finally going up to Alaska. Great time to do that considering ALK has major internal and external problems, i.e. ill-advised merger blunder and delta/swa eating their lunch in SeaTac.
01-16-2019, 03:40 PM
#433
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 120
Originally Posted by Desert Sky
Very different scenario than what G4 is currently in now. G4 is still one of the most profitable airlines in the world (top 5). Economy is booming and the company just announced 16 new routes along with another base opening (GRR).
It's funny to read some ppl referring to G4 as a "sinking ship". Makes me think they don't understand the phrase very well. Being a pilot on the bottom end of the seniority list with slower progression does not constitute a "sinking ship". If these people give it 12-18 months they will be pleasantly surprised with the rate of movement.
It's funny to read some ppl referring to G4 as a "sinking ship". Makes me think they don't understand the phrase very well. Being a pilot on the bottom end of the seniority list with slower progression does not constitute a "sinking ship". If these people give it 12-18 months they will be pleasantly surprised with the rate of movement.
01-16-2019, 07:35 PM
#434
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 548
The most recent investor report published to the SEC website last week claims 17 new frames this year. That would be a 20% increase, and it seems like hiring should probably be required soon. The 7.5 pilots per frame is nonsense and completely impossible with outstation basing, and considering they just announced GRR, outstation bases aren't going away soon.
01-17-2019, 07:33 AM
#435
Voice of Reason
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Uncomfortable
Posts: 481
Originally Posted by 9easy
The most recent investor report published to the SEC website last week claims 17 new frames this year. That would be a 20% increase, and it seems like hiring should probably be required soon. The 7.5 pilots per frame is nonsense and completely impossible with outstation basing, and considering they just announced GRR, outstation bases aren't going away soon.
01-17-2019, 02:03 PM
#436
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Here is some data from the past before the transition. These numbers include total pilots on property including management. 6.5 pilots per plane was the norm before the transition started.
Year Total Pilots/Planes
2007 197/29 = 6.8
2008 269/37 = 7.2
2009 309/47 = 6.6
2010 323 51 = 6.3
2011 344/53 = 6.5
2012 355/62 = 5.7
2014 415/67 = 6.2
Utilization has and will continue to increase significantly, therefore a number closer to 10-10.5 will be needed by spring break. There are still over 80 pilots somewhere in the training pipeline so if you do the math that is pretty close to the number of excess (currently sitting at 11.6 today). I don't think it will take too long to grow into the extra 10% and need to hire again but it's all contingent upon finding more airframes in a competitive market.
Year Total Pilots/Planes
2007 197/29 = 6.8
2008 269/37 = 7.2
2009 309/47 = 6.6
2010 323 51 = 6.3
2011 344/53 = 6.5
2012 355/62 = 5.7
2014 415/67 = 6.2
Utilization has and will continue to increase significantly, therefore a number closer to 10-10.5 will be needed by spring break. There are still over 80 pilots somewhere in the training pipeline so if you do the math that is pretty close to the number of excess (currently sitting at 11.6 today). I don't think it will take too long to grow into the extra 10% and need to hire again but it's all contingent upon finding more airframes in a competitive market.
01-17-2019, 03:10 PM
#437
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 128
Originally Posted by akulahunter
I know they keep saying 7.something for manning, but they are expecting 12 vacancies per side in GRR for a two plane base. I ain't no math genius, but I believe 12 CAs + 12 FOs = 24 pilots and 24 pilots ÷ 2 planes = 12 pilots. Looks like GRR will have 12 pilots per plane, at least initially.
01-17-2019, 06:06 PM
#438
Voice of Reason
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Uncomfortable
Posts: 481
Originally Posted by KC135
Here is some data from the past before the transition. These numbers include total pilots on property including management. 6.5 pilots per plane was the norm before the transition started.
Year Total Pilots/Planes
2007 197/29 = 6.8
2008 269/37 = 7.2
2009 309/47 = 6.6
2010 323 51 = 6.3
2011 344/53 = 6.5
2012 355/62 = 5.7
2014 415/67 = 6.2
Utilization has and will continue to increase significantly, therefore a number closer to 10-10.5 will be needed by spring break. There are still over 80 pilots somewhere in the training pipeline so if you do the math that is pretty close to the number of excess (currently sitting at 11.6 today). I don't think it will take too long to grow into the extra 10% and need to hire again but it's all contingent upon finding more airframes in a competitive market.
Year Total Pilots/Planes
2007 197/29 = 6.8
2008 269/37 = 7.2
2009 309/47 = 6.6
2010 323 51 = 6.3
2011 344/53 = 6.5
2012 355/62 = 5.7
2014 415/67 = 6.2
Utilization has and will continue to increase significantly, therefore a number closer to 10-10.5 will be needed by spring break. There are still over 80 pilots somewhere in the training pipeline so if you do the math that is pretty close to the number of excess (currently sitting at 11.6 today). I don't think it will take too long to grow into the extra 10% and need to hire again but it's all contingent upon finding more airframes in a competitive market.
01-17-2019, 06:09 PM
#439
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Uncomfortable
Posts: 481
Originally Posted by Machaca
Fairly standard for the small bases...good place to stick excess manning. Our near term issue is the number of airframes on property. Hard to put two in GRR and TYS without straining the system as a whole until we are 90 or more.
Pretty sure March will tell the tale. If we function effectively in March, I guess they were right about the manning (barring extensive sub service or VFNs).
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