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Old 07-22-2017, 12:11 PM
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I REALLY don't think it's appropriate to be having his discussion on an open forum, read by customers and the media who may take Tyler's comments out of context. The last thing this company needs is more bad press. And quoting internal memos online is NEVER a good idea. If you want to be an activist, or even if you just want to trash the company, be a man, and do it on the internal forum with your name beside it.

Bottom line: there was a maintenance related incident which the pilots acted in accordance with their training, and no one was hurt. The issue has been found and addressed. That's really all the public needs to hear, because that's all there is to this. To try and stir up drama of the past is useless to all of us.
Sorry ECAM, but we will have to agree to disagree. Having been here over 10 years and personally suffering the abject disregard for maintenance, I believe the past is very pertinent to the present. Too many times I have been put in jeopardy, scrutinized and questioned for maintenance concerns that turned out to be potentially serious.

I'm disappointed by the degree to which a contract gets signed and all of a sudden our maintenance concerns suddenly go away. Fact of the matter is that maintenance issues are not going away and neither is the root cause: cost.

As an ultra low-cost carrier, we must keep an eye on what is most important: the safe operation and condition of the equipment we operate. The company's lack of performance in this regard is widely documented and well known. This was just another weekly event that made the news. It's no secret.

If it solved the problem, I would be the first to advise keeping this information internal. Unfortunately, it took public scrutiny and investigation for management to finally admit to the deficiencies and shortcuts taking place in maintenance.

Improvements were taking place as the FAA stepped up it's oversight and the union was demanding answers. Now that has subsided and these issues are resurfacing. Added cause for concern is the departure of maintenance and senior leadership. Why the mass exodus?

Finally, the fact that the pilots were demanding answers and suddenly went silent after we got our money begs questions as to our true motives.

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Old 07-22-2017, 12:28 PM
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Sorry ECAM, but we will have to agree to disagree. Having been here over 10 years and personally suffering the abject disregard for maintenance, I believe the past is very pertinent to the present. Too many times I have been put in jeopardy, scrutinized and questioned for maintenance concerns that turned out to be potentially serious.

I'm disappointed by the degree to which a contract gets signed and all of a sudden our maintenance concerns suddenly go away. Fact of the matter is that maintenance issues are not going away and neither is the root cause: cost.

As an ultra low-cost carrier, we must keep an eye on what is most important: the safe operation and condition of the equipment we operate. The company's lack of performance in this regard is widely documented and well known. This was just another weekly event that made the news. It's no secret.

If it solved the problem, I would be the first to advise keeping this information internal. Unfortunately, it took public scrutiny and investigation for management to finally admit to the deficiencies and shortcuts taking place in maintenance.

Improvements were taking place as the FAA stepped up it's oversight and the union was demanding answers. Now that has subsided and these issues are resurfacing. The fact that we were demanding answers and went silent after we got our money really bags questions.
Dude, I totally agree. Make a stand. Your next move should be patrolling the perimeter outside one of our bases convincing passengers to avoid our airline for their safety. If you save just one life, won't that be worth it?
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Old 07-22-2017, 12:31 PM
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Dude, I totally agree. Make a stand. Your next move should be patrolling the perimeter outside one of our bases convincing passengers to avoid our airline for their safety. If you save just one life, wont that be worth it?
You make that call yet, Dude?

All about the growth/money, huh? Management much?
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Old 07-22-2017, 12:40 PM
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Tyler, if you're that concerned, maybe you need to make a stand and vote with your feet. 10 years? Lots of hiring has taken place in that period of time!

But I'll say this. Blatantly violating the company's media and social media policies will quickly help you to that end.
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Old 07-22-2017, 12:43 PM
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You make that call yet, Dude?

All about the growth/money, huh? Management much?
Really man. We are in the middle of the biggest hiring boom. If you’re still here it can’t be that bad. If you’re not, why do you care.
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Old 07-22-2017, 02:01 PM
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Tyler, if you're that concerned, maybe you need to make a stand and vote with your feet. 10 years? Lots of hiring has taken place in that period of time!

But I'll say this. Blatantly violating the company's media and social media policies will quickly help you to that end.
Ha...yes, so predictable. Like a true management disciple, wait for it....first rule: if logic fails, try CENSORSHIP! Second rule: "If you don't like it here, leave!"

Same textbook approaches were used against the guys that stuck their necks out trying to improve this place and secure the contract you now enjoy. Given your argument, we would still be topped out at the $68/hour we were at when I got here.

I'm aware of the company's policies, what is legal and what is not. I'm also aware of what is permissible and what is the purpose of this forum, which is the open exchange of opinions/ideas, not censorship because someone doesn't like the message. In case you're not aware, this thread referenced an incident being covered by the MEDIA. Perhaps you should censor them too. Your implied threats of get me fired won't cause me to lose any sleep. Knock yourself out.

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Old 07-22-2017, 02:41 PM
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Really man. We are in the middle of the biggest hiring boom. If you’re still here it can’t be that bad. If you’re not, why do you care.
Nice try. Been here Waaay too long to start over jerkin' gear cuz some new Johnny-Come-Lately coolaid sippers tell me to love it or lump it. Too much blood sweat and tears helping get this place from 8 airplanes to where we are now.

Loyalty is not jumping off the cliff like sheep. It involves confrontation, disagreement, often discomfort and risk. I will take a bullet for this pilot group as i have many times. I have confronted management directly and will continue to do so if it means avoiding a disaster that we have narrowly averted so many times.

To your previous question, I don't need to stand outside the fence and tell the public anything, the company aires its laundry through the weekly press coverage of incident after incident.
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Old 07-22-2017, 03:54 PM
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Ha...yes, so predictable. Like a true management disciple...

...Same textbook approaches were used against the guys that stuck their necks out trying to improve this place and secure the contract you now enjoy. Given your argument, we would still be topped out at the $68/hour we were at when I got here...

...Been here Waaay too long to start over jerkin' gear cuz some new Johnny-Come-Lately coolaid sippers tell me to love it or lump it

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Ha... yes, so predictable. Like a true, bitter, ol' G4 guy. Just because you've been here "way too long to start over" is no excuse stay. If you're in jeopardy here, you should leave. SWA, maybe?
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Old 07-22-2017, 04:18 PM
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If you're in jeopardy here, you should leave. SWA, maybe?
Swa, surely you joke. No one sells themselves that cheaply no mo. The thought of ending my career in the right seat of a 72 makes me wince. Dal, ual, fdx or ups fo sho. If I were so inclined.
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Swa, surely you joke. No one sells themselves that cheaply no mo. The thought of ending my career in the right seat of a 72 makes me wince. Dal, ual, fdx or ups fo sho. If I were so inclined.
I referenced SWA because durden appears on their threads often.
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