UA would make more sense than F9.

 

This has nothing to do with Bankruptcy or Merging or anything of the sort. It's all about Aircraft availability, we aren't going to hire more Pilots until we obtain more aircraft. If we come into some more Airbus, hiring will pick up again. It's a very fluid process.

 

Why would Allegiant hire more pilots than what they already have?

Per 3Q 2017 press release:

Allegiant Travel Company - News Release

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Aircraft fleet plan by end of period

Aircraft - (seats per AC) 3Q17 YE17 1Q18 2Q18 3Q18 YE18
MD-80 (166 seats) 40 37 35 29 20 —
757 (215 seats) 2 — — — — —
A319 (156 seats) 21 22 25 31 31 32
A320 (177/186 seats) 26 29 34 42 45 50
Total 89 88 94 102 96 82
Aircraft listed in table above include only in-service aircraft, planned retirements and future aircraft under contract (subject to change)

Allegiant currently has 89 planes and plans to have 82 by the end of 2018 after the 80s are gone. A net DECREASE of 7 planes. 4 crews per plane makes them overstaffed of about 60 pilots. What am I missing here?

 

Attrition? Retirements?

 

I believe that the Airbus has been staffed a lot closer to 6 crews per airplane due to the fact that they are being operated with more block hours per day. I don’t think we are overstaffed.


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I really don't think we are overstaffed either (especially looking at open time the last couple of months). However, if we were 60 pilots heavy, that would be about 20 months worth of attrition for anyone senior to me. Three a month (average) over the last year.

How are we going to staff all of these new routes that are going to be announced "tomorrow" without hiring anyone?

 

Not overstaffed now, overstaffed at the end of 2018. Allegiant has 89 planes now, 82 at the end of 2018. And if you are using 6 crews per plane from the previous poster, that makes it approximately 80 pilots extra at the END of 2018.

 

How many sim/ground instructors and other pilots in the management system do we have? Cause you have to count those too, they are in the seniority list and they barely fly

 

We currently have 890 pilots on the seniority list. 6 crews per airplane for 82 airplanes is 984 pilots. The 890 pilots on the list includes pilots on medical leave, the instructor core, and management pilots. So, again I️ don’t think we are going to be overstaffed anytime in 2018. I️ think we still need to be hiring, we just don’t have the sim capacity for transition training and new hire training to both happen until we get the bulk of the MD80 pilots transitioned.


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You mean 80 pilots light? 12 X 82 = 984. We're not even at 900 pilots now and that includes the 300 management pilots.