Stay at Allegiant or go to DL
#41
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Allegiant weathered the last couple down turns pretty well, but our route structure was a lot more niche then. We flew to places nobody else flew where we were the only game in town. ("We don't compete with the other airlines, we compete with Home Depot"). Now that we are becoming more of a traditional ULCC in our route structure, and competing head to head with not only the big 4, but other ULCCs, I don't see it ending well. Best hope for younger pilots here is a legacy buyout, but I'm really starting to think a merger among the ULCCs is looking very likely and somewhat soon. If you have more than 10 years left in your career, use allegiant as a stepping stone to a legacy. You'd be nuts to stay and roll the dice on this place. They prove every day that it will never be a real airline.
#42
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
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Hey guys hope I don’t start anything FO here and happy however got one of those dream offers over at Delta. Really want to hear most guys thoughts. Is this still a stepping stone to a legacy or has the new contract changed peoples thoughts?
Tough to start over any thoughts? Relatively new to to Allegiant.
Tough to start over any thoughts? Relatively new to to Allegiant.
Also, regarding the G4 QOL and being home every night: we already do overnights at this company but we just do them in the form of a VBD group of pilots. By my rough estimate, for every 30 nights that a VBD pilot spends in a hotel each month, that is the equivalent of 2.5 pilots doing an average of 12 nights a month in a hotel (four 4-day trips). This does not take into account the plane tickets, per diem, or rental cars (sore subject) that goes into the expense of VBD.
My guess is that in the not-too-distant-future (after the Airbus transition) the company will figure out how to build efficient multi-day day trips to cover the seasonal nature of our flying. And by efficient I mean efficient for the company, not necessarily efficient for you in terms of PCH. There may still be a very small VBD contingent leftover but I would be prepared to pack your bags and hit the road with G4 within the next couple of years. At that point the answer to the OP’s question will be crystal clear.
#44
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All due respect, not sure what is there to think about. Do not bypass and regret it years later. Go to Delta and consider yourself fortunate for the opportunity. Overall, it is just a better choice from just about any angle you look at it. Good luck.
#45
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Joined APC: May 2016
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Ok, not sure where to go with that. We must work at two different airlines. I certainly don't see anything that looks like they are trying to burn the house down. That's ludicrous. Anyone who has been anywhere that management has been trying to burn the house down knows how ridiculous that statement is.
Yes, it's unfortunate that the company is doing that this month. However, if you think that they just arbitrarily chose now to make a statement about hotels and rental cars, you are naive or just trying to build animosity against the company. You don't strike me as naive... yes, pilots whine, we are great at it. However, the recent stuff with the hotels and rental cars goes way beyond whining (you know what I mean).
On a separate note, I totally agree that we should stick together. Just make sure we fix these issues in the next CBA!
Yes, it's unfortunate that the company is doing that this month. However, if you think that they just arbitrarily chose now to make a statement about hotels and rental cars, you are naive or just trying to build animosity against the company. You don't strike me as naive... yes, pilots whine, we are great at it. However, the recent stuff with the hotels and rental cars goes way beyond whining (you know what I mean).
On a separate note, I totally agree that we should stick together. Just make sure we fix these issues in the next CBA!
#46
The other op already made up his mind before he started the thread. No one makes life altering decisions based on internet/social media straw polling. Enjoy. Leaving and encouraging everyone else in your class will help us all. Hopefully new hires will not make it past their probation and the rest of the bottom will leave in big chunks and sprinkle in some semi to very senior and the training department will sink again.
It is true, we are seeing the ugly head of management again since JBs resignation.
It is true, we are seeing the ugly head of management again since JBs resignation.
#47
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Several guys gave up AA recalls to stay at Allegiant. I would consider the career potential of someone going to AA equivalent to DL, and these guys obviously saw some value staying at Allegiant. Then again if you went through the trouble to apply and pass the interview at Delta you probably already made your mind up.
#48
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Several guys gave up AA recalls to stay at Allegiant. I would consider the career potential of someone going to AA equivalent to DL, and these guys obviously saw some value staying at Allegiant. Then again if you went through the trouble to apply and pass the interview at Delta you probably already made your mind up.
And those guys were probably senior captains in their 50s who lived in base at allegiant.
Much different than a 30 year old fo looking to make the switch.
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