How is it "tough to start over" if you are "relatively new"? Didn't you just start over at Allegiant?

It's called trolling

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You do know that Delta has "day trips" also, right? Virtually every category has 1 day trips in the bid package. You can also siimply drop all of your awarded trips and pickup nothing but 1 day trips if you want. Just sayin...

Yeah I’ve looked into it, day trips typically range from 3-15% of total block hours depnding on equip/base. A new hire could hold them in maybe 5-10 years in ATL for example and they aren’t always available to just pick up. It would be a nice gig if you wanted to live in NYC for example. I’m just not personally interested in waiting for the seniorty to hold them then dealing with ATL traffic, waiting for an employee bus ride, tram ride, working a turn then possibly 1-3 hours of traffic on the drive home. I currently can drive 10 mins then walk 3 minutes from my car to the flight deck. I think DAL is a great job for the younger guys since there is so much variety and a niche for almost everyone.

Well QOL is in the eye of the beholder of course. I only chime in here because this thread is a discussion comparing Delta to Allegiant QOL.

I see most here tout the advantage of Allegiant as spending nights at home. Albeit at the cost of lower pay and probably working a lot harder when you are at work.

Traffic and bus rides are really more a small town vs big city issue than comparing our airline QOL.

What I could point out is that if QOL = max time spent with family, then I think perhaps Delta offers more opportunities to fly smarter not harder, even if you are junior. You can find opportunities at Delta where you are home every night with the kids because you literally almost never fly. And pays better to boot.

But I get that at Allegiant even the most junior can sleep at home at night and if that narrow definition fits your best QOL, then great. My definition of QOL with my family is a bit more broadly defined as the most total time at home with my family per month.

I completly agree with you about QOL = max time with family. So DAL has more than double the average monthly TAFB vs G4, so what’s your logic here? If you’re going to bring up widebody trip rigs what’s your usual monthly time away from base? Maybe you will reply with reserve? When I bid reserve I rarely get called, I’ve gone over 2 months without a call but 4 days a month is average and 99% of the time when the phone rings I’m back home the same day. A lot of us don’t work as hard as you think. My credit last year was a little more than double my block as a line holder and outside of training events the credit over block was spent at home with the family not on an airport sit or trying to reset my circadian rhythm in London. As far as pay, there is no denying the average legacy career pays more than any LCC.

I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince here..... My QOL is unparalleled by anyone at Delta. I block between 5.5-7 hours nearly every time I come to work with a duty day roughly 2 hours more than scheduled block. I sleep in my bed every night and I either send my kids off to school or see them when they get home.....every day.

If being home nightly, working 12-13 days a month flying 2, sometimes 4 legs per day, and blocking high 90s most months is a “narrow” definition of QOL, then I’ll take my narrow definition and run with it.

I'm a relatively young guy at Allegiant, but I have little to zero temptation to go to Delta after I did the long term calculations. I think most people would agree that 18 days off per month is a great schedule. If you had 18 days off per month every month for 30 years that would still mean that you are gone for 12.25 years. It's probably safe to assume that you will spend more like 13-14 out of 30 years away from home if you're lucky.

The industry has us trained to think 4 days away from home isn't a long time, and 18 days off a month is the pinnacle of QOL, but it still equates to a significant amount of time away from family. If you ask most people at the end of their career if they would sacrifice a cumulative 13 years away from their families for an extra $1M they would probably say "No".

Careful making blanket statements like “my QOL is unparalleled by anyone at Delta.” That’s not true, frankly. We have several fleets and bases that provide that. In some cases, it's one leg and a DH back or vice versa to Caribbean crediting around 9 hours. Yes, we may not have as high of a percentage of those trips as Allegiant, but we do have our share of them.