Yeah who gives a crap about reserves? F-k 'em! Send their butts up to flint, who cares if they're home every night, as long as the senior folks are. Suck it up, Junior, you'll be senior one day. Amiright?

You must be in the union.

Allegiant culture in a nutshell here.

 

Don't be so dramatic. You and I both know it will be like the test runs. A-B-C-overnight-C-B-A. Sure it will run late but they'll schedule crews for 14 hours of rest, reduce it to 10, and the flights the next day will go on time.

And yet every other US airline has figured out how to do overnights and fly planes around the clock. Amazing!

But no, allegiant has to find a "unique solution to match our unique business model. We're special".

The 737s will need a lot more utilization to pay for them. Look for a crew to do a 3 leg day to the west coast, overnight, a second crew takes the plane on a transcontinental redeye round trip, then the previous crew brings the plane back to the original base.

 

You ok? Yeah it absolutely sucks for those guys and should never happen…just answering a question.

 

10 years yeah anything is possible… maybe even probable we start doing overnights… but in 12-24 months I don’t think so

 

Why does everyone here think they are an accountant for the company? Easyjet is no Allegiant. They are totally different and will never struggle to attract crews or passengers.

One aircraft overnight is 12 hotel rooms. So $1200. Parking charges for small places like FWA and TOL are insignificant. The fleet utilization would go way up with that small expense. But I guess every other airline has got it wrong. Allegiant will just continue to amble along with no overnights and pay those high happy payments on the Boeings while flying 60% of what we could fly.

I'm not an airline executive, but neither are any others on here. But I do have common sense, and that tells me that we are home every night right now because it suits the company. As soon as they change their mind/plan, it will change. They will probably hire a travel company to book/arrange accommodations and transportation for the crews.

We are not that kind of travel company that deals in aircraft and hotels etc. We are the kind that.... we are an IT.... we are a travel company that........ that doesn't have to explain itself to anyone. So there.

 

Actually we’re home every night because the management of this place is so incompetent that they can’t figure out how to make it work. That is the one and only reason we don’t already do layovers like a traditional airline.

This management has always made money in spite of themselves. They’ve relied on a solid business model that had almost no competition. They made 18+ percent profit margins without having to do literally anything correct because they had a great idea. Now however, there’s competition and a real problem with getting new pilots and our management is so far under water they’re just leaving to keep from drowning on the sinking ship. Why do you think that every single management position has changed in the past 9 months?

 

I don’t see overnights being a thing in near future or even after the next contract. However, I still have 30+ years to go, double my age. I just know at some point down the road, whether it’s 8 or 15 years from now; it’s going to make literally no sense to be here and I’m going to hate myself. Right now we can say home every night and that’s all. At least at a Legacy I know what I’m signing up for and 8 years from now there will be thousands and thousands of names below mine. That’s why I’m leaving, zero faith that the pros will ever outweigh the cons in the long term.

 

You are wise. algt is not a serious place to put the worth of any pilots career. the only thing you will accomplish by parking here for a while, is the lost benefits of being at a true destination airline, which is very costly in a seniority based system. If you dont agree or see this yet-ask someone who has spent more time there than you. there was a time I could defend the company and its direction, but that is not rationally possible anymore. Dont choose this company and have regret later. there are many many problems here, but consider one. The CEO is a vegas hotel guy. He knows zero about airlines, and his ability to manage/operate one, much less grow it, is laughable. There are few pilots here, that do not realize now, that they have made a big mistake in wasting precious career advancement other places by being here. With the unprecedented hiring, seniority and upgrade opportunity at the legacies and others, coming here is an irrational act of self harm.

 

No real dog in this fight. But, I’m increasingly finding it hard to understand why anyone would tolerate even the idea mediocre management styles prevalent in the early 2000s “today!” The market has changed for the better for pilots. No need to put up with all talking, no action, cry me a river, we can’t pay you because we’re a low cost airline, take lies to the bank while you’re not looking, airline management.

No degree, no thousands of turbine PIC, not a military academy grad? It doesn’t matter much anymore! Throw your stuff out there and see what happens. I’d rather fly with a person that has the right attitude, is a hard worker, that strives to be student of their craft, over some entitled “wannabe” that thinks I should feel lucky to be in their presence! Yup, I’ve flown with them! Surprise, the majority are NOT military! I mention that because at LUV we’ve been know to hire lots of military peeps. It’s true, but bad habits and attitudes come in all shapes and sizes.

If you have a good attitude, humbleness, and a willingness to learn, doors will open for you.

 

I have found Allegiant pilots to be great to fly with. I have always enjoyed the crews that i work with.

Management is another story…