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tom11011 05-19-2023 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3638657)

But you know this Tom, as an AR worshipper, and are happy to contribute to his kingdom. We do have the most expensive, albeit inept, union in the industry.
I call balls and strikes here as I see it.

captnate702 05-19-2023 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3638784)
I call balls and strikes here as I see it.
hahahaha

Industry contract will be achieved with an industry standard union. I wonder where we might find an industry standard union? Maybe the union that has negotiated all of the contracts that we hope to achieve?

would we be better with ALPA or with AR and our culinary attorney both of whom are winging it and flying by the seat of their pants? Ball or strike?

tom11011 05-20-2023 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3638939)
hahahaha

Industry contract will be achieved with an industry standard union. I wonder where we might find an industry standard union? Maybe the union that has negotiated all of the contracts that we hope to achieve?

would we be better with ALPA or with AR and our culinary attorney both of whom are winging it and flying by the seat of their pants? Ball or strike?
you are all over the place, are you complaining about arbitrations or contracts? We have won arbitrations, why deny that?

MLCCPilot 05-20-2023 06:53 AM
Originally Posted by Jet J (Post 3638484)
This reminds me of roger Cohen in the early 2000s defending regional pilots making 15k a year. You’re either an amazing troll, or a complete idiot. 😂 either way thanks for the laugh
I get that professional pilots are a bit disconnected to what the rest of us make. But I am leaving a career in teaching to become a pilot, last year my contract was for $53k. I drove Uber weekends and during the summer so my 1040 says I made $63k last year. If you take out my mandatory retirement and health care I walked home with less than $1000 a week. Living off 50k a year, hell even raising a family on 50k a year isn't only doable a lot of Americans are doing it.

trvsmrtn 05-20-2023 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by MLCCPilot (Post 3639097)
I get that professional pilots are a bit disconnected to what the rest of us make. But I am leaving a career in teaching to become a pilot, last year my contract was for $53k. I drove Uber weekends and during the summer so my 1040 says I made $63k last year. If you take out my mandatory retirement and health care I walked home with less than $1000 a week. Living off 50k a year, hell even raising a family on 50k a year isn't only doable a lot of Americans are doing it.
Well if you’re happy only making $65k then Allegiant is the place for you.

tailendcharlie 05-20-2023 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by trvsmrtn (Post 3639284)
Well if you’re happy only making $65k then Allegiant is the place for you.
The recruiters continue to knock it out of the park....gotta hand it to'em....

tailendcharlie 05-20-2023 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by MLCCPilot (Post 3639097)
I get that professional pilots are a bit disconnected to what the rest of us make. But I am leaving a career in teaching to become a pilot, last year my contract was for $53k. I drove Uber weekends and during the summer so my 1040 says I made $63k last year. If you take out my mandatory retirement and health care I walked home with less than $1000 a week. Living off 50k a year, hell even raising a family on 50k a year isn't only doable a lot of Americans are doing it.
Care to speculate the ratio in the US of people with teaching credentials vs. an ATP & A320 Type?

MLCCPilot 05-22-2023 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by trvsmrtn (Post 3639284)
Well if you’re happy only making $65k then Allegiant is the place for you.
If I was happy making 65k a year then I would stay a teacher. Being home every night, every holiday off, every weekend off, and working 9 months a year is going to be hard to give up. But if it's 65k the first year with 100k+ beyond that I can live with it, heck my CFI makes more than I do. I was simply responding to the person who called a guy an idiot for saying you actually can live off 50k a year.

MLCCPilot 05-22-2023 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3639307)
Care to speculate the ratio in the US of people with teaching credentials vs. an ATP & A320 Type?
Why speculate, a quick search says there are about 196,000 ATP's in the US. There are about 7 million certified teachers in the US and 4 Million actually teaching. I am not questioning that pilots should be paid more (that's the markets job) I was simply stating that it is possible to live off 50k a year and the person who said so is not an idiot.

Red Forman 05-23-2023 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by MLCCPilot (Post 3639097)
I get that professional pilots are a bit disconnected to what the rest of us make. But I am leaving a career in teaching to become a pilot, last year my contract was for $53k. I drove Uber weekends and during the summer so my 1040 says I made $63k last year. If you take out my mandatory retirement and health care I walked home with less than $1000 a week. Living off 50k a year, hell even raising a family on 50k a year isn't only doable a lot of Americans are doing it.
Why did you go into a profession that pays so little?


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