okey dokey. go ahead and hold out for the republicans to give us the green light to go on strike. I won't hold my breath.

FO's leaving wont really have the effect that's needed. What will worry management are Captains leaving. Maybe many more senior captains wont leave, but any captain that's been on property for less than 5 years might. That will make a difference, why? Well, bc many F/O's being hired wont meet upgrade requirements fast enough, so that will squeeze the company. It did before, and it could do it again. But it'll still be months before we actually feel the effects. Especially bc the company has a history of being reactive, not proactive.

This is an accurate observation/prediction. I’ve never seen this level of dissatisfaction (trying to keep it professional) among our pilots, specifically captains. Not a fun place to be at the moment.

I question whether any captain or even senior FO would leave at this point....any who were of that mindset left already. Those left behind missed the boat; they could be legacy CA's or wb FO's with superior qol making 2X their Allegiant counterparts but chose to bypass that opportunity. The days of legacy quick upgrade or wb FO are probably over, & thousands have been hired and would be senior to anyone who left. So attrition may not be a real factor in 2025-26.

It’s only going to get worse. There’s only one way that we’ll ever see a new contract, and that’s if we somehow make it to being released. Otherwise, we’re stuck with what we have. If you think otherwise, you’re only kidding yourself into believing what you want to believe.

Lots of the FO's hired in the last year or so are mostly CFI hires (not all) and or visa sponsored. They either can not leave to another or do not have the hours to be competive any more in the open market with exception of a few Rejionals or corprate stuff. So yes attrition would have to be those that have 4-8 years in bailing again. We might not have to get all the way to release but the compamy would need to feel like its a real possiblily that we are heading that way. If we get released its far more likely we would go on strike because at that point the union has it only power and why give in for anything less than a great deal at that point.

Between the company having no motivation to conclude a deal & raise their costs, The IBT in no rush to see 1300 Teamsters bolt for ALPA in the wake of a new contract, and the NC continued leisurely pursuit of a blue-chip industry-plus no-overnight contract, this pilot group is so ___ed.

Meanwhile.....5 year FO's at southwest brought in $600,000 with 15-18 days off.

Where does it say that guy is an FO, that seems like captain pay?

This is exactly what is happening here: we are getting screwed on both ends. Management and our union. Management pays us and then screws us; we pay the teamsters to screw us.